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Comment on FDA's proposed deeming regulations on e-cigs. 75 days public comment period has started.

Posted on 04/25/2014 12:29:18 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group

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I run an ecig shop online, and have been doing so for more than 5 years. We've been waiting for this to raise it's ugly head, and now we have 75 days to comment on it.

Please share your experiences, your knowledge, and counter their incorrect thought processes. Link to comment is at the bottom of the email I received today from whitehouse.gov

(SORRY for the links showing up as they did. Perhaps someone with a little HTML-fu can create actual clickable links from that mess?)

1 posted on 04/25/2014 12:29:18 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: 1_Inch_Group

It’s about the money... If e-cigs prove to be innocuous, or at least far less harmful than tobacco, they’re a relative benefit. Tax it!


2 posted on 04/25/2014 12:31:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Anyone who thinks this is being done for any reason other than money is deluded. This is the camel’s nose under the tent, by which e-cigs will be regulated until they are as ineffective at helping people quit smoking as the existing pharmaceutical approaches, whose performance barely outdoes placebos, but which are 100% effective at generating hundreds of millions of dollars for the politically connected.


3 posted on 04/25/2014 12:35:34 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: 1_Inch_Group

I think E-cigs are great, but should be limited to 18 and older.
Nothing more.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 12:36:58 PM PDT by mylife
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I do not understand the people that want to BAN E-cigs on the basis that flavors will entice children.
Just make it 18 and older.

They have been selling peach schnapps for hundreds of years.


5 posted on 04/25/2014 12:43:15 PM PDT by mylife
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I think E-cigs are great, but should be limited to 18 and older. Nothing more.

That could certainly be accomplished at a state level: no need to involve the feds.

6 posted on 04/25/2014 12:45:09 PM PDT by j. earl carter
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I agree, but the FDA does not.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 12:45:48 PM PDT by mylife
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This really doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the FDA wanting to regulate E-cigs, that is just an excuse to change what they did in 2009.

Not mentioned here is the fact that they plan to add the 2500% tobacco tax on pipe tobacco and cigars.

They were losing to much in taxes on roll your own tobacco, and want another bite at the apple to correct their mistake.

They are using E-cigs as an excuse to slip that in.


8 posted on 04/25/2014 12:46:31 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: mylife

It’s about some people loving the idea of power and control over others. It has nothing to do with health or safety, and has a LOT to do with money.


9 posted on 04/25/2014 1:00:07 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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I think you’ll agree it’s a matter of when, not if. And the extent to which the gov’t overreaches. They should ban sales to <18 yr olds, implement the same advertising limits as tobacco products, and implement severe penalties for offering anything other than nicotine-based products. And there should be ongoing testing because it’s a drug delivery device and the long term effects are unknown.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 1:12:49 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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They should follow the Constitution and leave it to the States.

/johnny

11 posted on 04/25/2014 1:21:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Beagle8U
The FDA doesn't handle taxes. The BATF does, since it's part of Treasury.

Where did your information come from?

/johnny

12 posted on 04/25/2014 1:29:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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How does one make an effective product ineffective? Are you proposing that they’ll force manufacturers to remove the nicotine?

My mother, father, brother, his girlfriend, my mother in law and my wife have all kicked the habit thanks to e-cigarettes. This is completely and totally about money. The government sees these as a threat to their tobacco tax revenues and now they want to regulate them to get in on the action.

What a farce!


13 posted on 04/25/2014 1:40:26 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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e-cigs are a threat to Big Government, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma. They will be crushed by regulations.


14 posted on 04/25/2014 1:42:56 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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If the left wants to ban E-cigs because it looks too much like real cigs then they must hate all long, slender things in their mouths.

I guess they’ll ban homosexuality next! /s


15 posted on 04/25/2014 1:43:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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They are NOT a tobacco product, so by what reason can/should they be regulated under any tobacco law?


16 posted on 04/25/2014 1:43:38 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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What is the significance of February 15, 2007 for the substantial equivalence test? Is this an arbitrary baseline date, or was there a landmark ruling? I don’t get it.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 1:51:30 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: bigbob

They are NOT a tobacco product and considering them as such makes no sense whatsoever. Also, many of the mixes you can use in them contain no nicotine at all.

Nicotine gums and patches are drug delivery devices and advertise all over the TV and radio and the long term effects are unknown.

BTW, I’ve never used an e-cig or any pharmaceutical nicotine delivery device and the majority of my nicotine consumption nowadays comes from my roasted or mashed potatoes, roasted pepper laden pizza, and eggplant parmigiana.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 1:53:08 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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The FDA doesn't handle taxes. The BATF does, since it's part of Treasury.

The FDA pushes them - at the behest of their overlords in the pharmaceutical industry and the pharma puppets in congress go along with them.

19 posted on 04/25/2014 1:56:34 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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But this proposed rule change shouldn't affect any tax rates. And that's what was said.

/johnny

20 posted on 04/25/2014 2:02:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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