Posted on 02/26/2014 8:38:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip
I believe Dead Guy tested out at .21
>> I’ll take that bet and your gonna’ regret. Getting into a bar room fight doesn’t warrant getting shot.
It wasn’t a barroom fight. The drunk was in the process of being arrested and turned on the cop.
The cop asked those bystanders for help. But they couldn’t put the cameras down. They helped kill him. A few people could have wrestled this drunk and got him under control.
” I have see men and women talk a drunk down, without a bit of police training... and a trained police officer cannot?”
And in your world, that works 100% of the time? Some drunks are weepy and emotional, some get horny, others get chatty, and then some are downright mean and homicidally violent.
“Getting into a bar room fight doesn’t warrant getting shot.”
Pounding someone’s face as their head is on the sidewalk, breaking facial bones,,, that’s exactly, precisely, what pistols are for. What kind of lunatic world do you live in where you have a right to beat people to death?
Thousands of people are murdered by about 2 or 3 more punches than that guy gave the cop. Im glad he got his lamp blowed out and wish the cop a speedy recovery.
Thank you for that, Captain Obvious. And thank you again for missing the point that Police officers are trained in conflict resolution. I would not be surprised if you got into a bar fight and had the crap beat out of you. I am astounded that a cop would.
we've got to stop this kind of horrible decision making....
that being said, I guess if I had a gun and someone was cranking my head against the cement, I'd shoot too....
anyone else see the similarities with the Z guy and the Martin 12 yro Skittle guy????
I wish you a speedy recovery as as well. Good night.
PS. It is "I'm" not Im and "blown" not blowed. Just so you know.
Was it a bar? Was it a fight? You logic astounds.
You sure do, no disagreement there. But why was a COP involved in a bar room fight? Mmm?
Never spent time in West Texas have you island boy?
Are you also astounded by your reference to bar room fighting?
Does Lubbock count, flea-bite?
Your question indicates that you didn’t read the article.
Come back when you’ve read the article.
The cop should have had backup and never got in close without it. A ranged taser would have been his second choice (after backup)
The cop put himself and bystanders in danger by not having control of the situation.
The drunk could've got the cop's gun and shot a bystander.
The cop should be fired.
Why would a cop who is supposedly trained try and grapple a drunk without backup?
The cop placed himself in a really bad situation and had to take a man's life to get out of it.
Thank-you and the others for the replies. It has given me a far better understanding of the event and that the perp would have been well aware of what was going on.
Mel
Everything changed at :52 when the cop decided he was tired of the guy's protest and spun from the position which had him controlled to dropping a right knee to the guy's head, connecting, bouncing it off the concrete (this would be illegal even in the UFC but cops can do a lot more). This could easily have killed the firefighter, who then put his left arm behind the right leg of the sprawled-out cop (basically a position in which there is no way for a single-leg takedown of the cop to occur, though the firefighter has one foot temporarily on the ground). The firefighter lets go and is on his knees.
The cop is now completely out of any position to cuff the guy and has committed to wrestling.
At this point, the cop is holding the firefighter with an over-hook with his right arm and his left arm was under the firefighter's neck, in what is called an "arm in guillotine choke". The cop then stands up to ostensibly sink in the choke, picking the firefighter up after saying to the observers what sounds like, "Do I look like I need help here?"
As the cop drives forward the firefighter has placed his left arm under the cop's crotch (lifting the person choking the other is actually a proper defense to a guillotine choke) who has no way to post up on his left arm (because it's under the firefighter's neck) and rolls the cop onto his back. The firefighter now has the cop in "side control". Both cop and firefighter have open hands on each other's faces while the firefighter's left hand is posted on the ground under the cop's right armpit. At 1:06 the firefighter's left elbow is on the ground. The cop is already reaching for his gun. At 1:08 as the firefighter pulls his left hand out, the cop begins to draw his firearm.
The firefighter has the cop's head controlled with his left hand and throws one right hand to the left eye of the cop, the next misses and as the camera jumps to only show the reflection in the storefront windows, we hear two slow shots, about a second apart. That guy was dead as soon as the cop landed on his back, who was reaching for it before a single strike was thrown by the firefighter (not really a good time to wait I don't blame him).
Horrible situation that could have been de-escalated rather than turning into a mixed martial arts fight on the pavement. The cop (aside from not properly cuffing the guy then dropping a knee on the guy's head) could have taken a step back at pretty much any point especially considering he was standing for most of the recorded altercation. I would think getting into a wrestling match would be the least-desired situation considering his gun was within reach of the firefighter from then on. He gave up a position of control, in order to go for a high risk knee strike.
I will say I don't doubt that the firefighter was a trouble maker. I'll bet there is some collegiate wrestling in his background and he knew he could kick some people's asses. Ironically, this shows that submissions might be better than G-N-P on an armed combatant. Had the firefighter gone for a Kimura on the right arm instead of punches, he could have controlled the drawn firearm and still be alive. (Sorry to sound insensitive, this is a good real life self defense situation/lesson). Terrible for everybody, some more than others of course.
If I ever see something like this, I'm going to put down the camera and help the cop if only just to keep the drunk from getting himself killed.
Justified. Open and shut case.
Very much like the Zimmerman case and fully justifiable.
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