Cold Case Posse Asked Orly to Stand Down

Orly Tatz | 2/4/2014 | Orly Tatz

[GregNH]

Thanx for doing this JP!

Let's parse these comments.

Zullo says “Well, I’ll tell you, the one thing I’ll commend them for, throwing up the nonsense Xerox machine argument is what got us where we are today.”

Carl says that’s where everything started branching off into some deep deep, deep stuff. He said to Zullo, so you are confirming that you guys are very, very sure, that you know who several of these people are.

Zullo says “Carl, I’m also going to tell you that here is the game play that’s going to go on right now. You’re going to hear a complete disavowment of any association with any agency within the White House, or any agency within the Federal Government. They will start spinning a picture that this is nonsense, yadda yadda yadda, tinfoil hat stuff, that’s going to be their play. Deny, deny, deny.”

Carl says “Right, but they’re lying lying lying, because you’ve got the goods, right?”

Zullo: “I’ve got the proof proof proof.”

He is asked about Obots and goes on to imply that they are directly tied to the White Hut and that he has proof of that fact! So CCP probably can't effect an arrest so now the MCSO is going to grab these guys.

[CpnHook]

I took an image posted upthread and placed a grid over it. Note the typewritten characters align vertically in columns.

OK, but unless you can show that this document was produced in the same way as the WHLFBC, putting this up is meaningless.

The WHLFBC shows curvature at the left margin (like one would expect of a copy made from a bound volume). The 'grid' aligns with the characters along the left side. The right side characters align (or seem to) mostly with each other.

So your assertion here is what exactly? That there was a "forger" who took pains to make it look like this was copied initially from a bound volume? That such person was cognizant that to make it appear this was from an original typed document the characters needed to align and that he/she did this for the left side? But this person was just sloppy and didn't harmonize the left and right sides?

That strikes me as highly improbable.

Here's another theory: I posted earlier on this thread the conclusions of Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by World News Daily to analyze the BC:

Zatkovich has 28 years experience in computer science and document management and for more than 10 years has been an expert witness providing testimony in federal court in both criminal and civil litigation.

His conclusions, in part:

“It has been suggested that these ‘suspicious white borders’ indicate that items were pasted into the image. The pasting of content itself does not necessarily create a white border. A more likely reason for this halo effect is that the text was enhanced,” the report said.

“This does not mean that other content in the document was not changed. However, most of the detectable changes are consistent with someone attempting to enhance the appearance of the document rather than change the content.”

Now when one feeds a document through a copier/scanner things can happen. Sometimes the page comes out skewed. Sometimes there are glitches in the document. Suppose that something like that ensued with the WHLBFC and that, as Zatkovich suggests, someone did a bit of "clean-up" to the image before posting it. Could that explain the alignment anomalies? Quite possibly.

It could be that the mis-alignment from left to right is a result of such a problem. It could be that the lens of the device used to copy or scan the document added some slight curvature to the resulting copy. We don't know.

I pointed out to DiogenesLamp that for such a technique to be validated, one must first have a set of controls to establish that the technique applied to the test subject is meaningful. I asked him whether this "Lord Moncton" he was holding up as an authority utilized any control(s).

DiogenesLamp quickly skee-daddled from the discussion. But, Ray, you will fare no better offering up this same technique unless you can validate the methodology.

[Ray76]

>> The ‘grid’ aligns with the characters along the left side. The right side characters align (or seem to) mostly with each other.

Characters produced by typewriters align vertically in columns. How could a typewriter have produced “None” in box 17a not vertically aligned with “August” in box 5a?

What explanation do you offer to explain the anomalous alignment?

[JohnnyP]

Obviously, it’s a result of the Xerox patented mixed raster compression algorithm, designed by a brilliant Brazilian engineer.

[JohnnyP]

... Ricardo de Queiroz says:

“The question is whether all these artifacts we see after rendering the PDF of POBC are signs of forgery. I do not see that. I see them more likely as a result of inadequate processing.”

The spectators turn to Caesar and cheer wildly when he gives the thumbs down signal.

[Ray76]

Well?

[dinodino]

The last typewriter I owned had a way to release the carriage so you could align things. I don’t think that lack of vertical alignment on those fields means anything.

[Ray76]

What? You mean it’s not image enhancement algorithms that reposition typewritten characters, or lenses that distort only typewritten characters and not the form?

[DiogenesLamp]

The last typewriter I owned had a way to release the carriage so you could align things. I don’t think that lack of vertical alignment on those fields means anything.

I learned to type on a manual typewriter, and it is my recollection that when you released the carriage, it always fell back into the spaces allocated for letters.

There was no way to release the carriage into a position between letters. How could there be? It must fall into a spot allocated by the gear teeth on the carriage.

[dinodino]

You hit the carriage release and it lets you slide the carriage, so you can type things in forms. Mine was an electric typewriter and I got rid of it thirty years ago, but I don’t think that it was in any way unique.

[DiogenesLamp]

You hit the carriage release and it lets you slide the carriage, so you can type things in forms. Mine was an electric typewriter and I got rid of it thirty years ago, but I don’t think that it was in any way unique.

I don't think you are understanding my point. WHEN you release it, it always falls back into the spaces required by the geared rack on the carriage.

You CANNOT release it in such a way that it will type between where the letters normally fall. It will always line up with the normal letter placement.

What I am saying is that your explanation doesn't explain how the letters ended up between their normal placement. A typewriter cannot do this, even if you use the carriage release.

[dinodino]

I understand what you are saying, but I don’t agree. I think you are mistaken and that you are focusing on an incredibly weak argument instead of the other, real problems with that BC.

[DiogenesLamp]

I understand what you are saying, but I don’t agree. I think you are mistaken and that you are focusing on an incredibly weak argument instead of the other, real problems with that BC.

If you understand the argument, you can't characterize it as weak. This leads me to think you aren't correctly grasping the argument.

If it is impossible to make a typewriter type outside the spaces required of it's gear track, then characters typed in positions which are not allowed by the typewriter can only be explained by being forged with modern computer tools, or by removing the document from the manual typewriter, and then putting it back in a misaligned manner.

You seem to think that the carriage can be released, and that characters can be typed anywhere on the page, but I believe this behavior is completely inconsistent with my experience using a manual typewriter, and inconsistent with my pretty extensive knowledge regarding how mechanical devices operate.

The typewriter carriage is constrained by teeth in a rack. That is how it advances a specific amount every time a letter is typed. This is how they make the character spacing consistent.

When you release the carriage, all you do is allow the gears to move freely. When you let go of the carriage release, the gears then go back to meshing, thereby forcing the carriage to be positioned in a space allocated for a letter, and positions in between letters are not possible.

Here's a link to typewriter maintenance and repair. Read page seventy (70) and it will tell you the same thing i'm telling you. You can't make a typewriter type in the wrong place on the page, even by using the carriage release, because once the carriage is reseated, the gears mesh back where they are supposed to be, not in between where they are supposed to be.

Again, note the carriage rack.

[dinodino]

It’s weak. You are showing me diagrams from typewriter repair manuals, and claiming these as proof that Obama’s birth certificate is fake—yet, you don’t have the source document, and are relying on an nth-generation scan posted on the web, and overlaying a grid in Photoshop.

I think that Obama is lying about his birth, and I am 80% sure that the birth certificate is shady or fake. However, I don’t buy the typewriter horizontal alignment argument.

[Ray76]

>> However, I don’t buy the typewriter horizontal alignment argument.

At issue is the vertical alignment of characters.

[dinodino]

Again: you are complaining that the columns of letters are not aligned horizontally. I applaud your fervor but I think it is misdirected.

[Ray76]

VERTICAL alignment. NOT horizontal.

[Ray76]

What caused the characters to be misaligned?

[DiogenesLamp]

...yet, you don’t have the source document...

At this juncture, I can only conclude that you do not have the level of knowledge necessary to grasp the essential concept.

Arguing that the "source document" is relevant to the issue of misplaced characters is the last straw for me.

Have a good day.

[dinodino]

The fact that you do not recognize that you cannot perform exacting forensic procedures on a JPEG posted on the Internet tells me that you simply don’t get it.