The New Ammunition That Has Gun Owners Drooling

The Liberty Digest ^ | Jan 25, 2014 | Chad Cunningham

[mountainlion]

I saw a demonstration of a new technology bullet that was a compost material, I can't remember the name of the technology or I would look it up for you. It could penetrate a 1/2” steel or when they shot a pot roast it almost exploded the meat. The compost was Teflon, Nylon and unnamed heavy metals. One of the winners of the 50 BMG 1000 yard matches did win with solid steel bullets and my flak jacket in Viet Nam was fiberglass.

[PowderMonkey]

Yup. deadly on fresh fruit, water balloons, and gelatin, but let's see how it handles penetration of heavy leather jackets or denim, and things like car doors/windows, tree limbs/foliage (general concealment). Frangibles have their place, but I'm sold on the .45 ACP in 230 grs. I worked with an armorer some time ago providing ballistic protection for vehicles. The .45 round absolutely mauled the ballistic aluminum plate inserts of the door panels.

[Delta 21]

Im currently debating on the charge for my 357 carry ammo. I want it hotter than 38+P but dont need a full 1300fps on a 125 grn hollow point (usually measured on a 6” barrel). My snubby Dan Wesson will probly only produce 1000 fps with that load but the flash and recoil are just wasteful, after all, Im not really trying to impress the bad guys or blind myself to my second shot, I just want reliable expansion at about 950-1000 fps and enough more “bang” to let any other bad guys around that this guy aint just packing a pea shooter.

Taking my barrel gap from .006” down to .003” to conserve escaping gasses, might get a few more fps on a smaller charge. I need the weather to cooperate so I can get out and test some of this!

I think I’m gonna call them “Humming Bird Feathers”.

[Sparticus]

A flack vest is filled with fiberglass strands that catch the sharp irregular shapes to protect the wearer. The so called cop killer bullets were hard with a Teflon coating that would help penetrate.

Actually, the Teflon was only added to protect the rifling of the barrel. The bullets were so hard that they scored the bore without it.

[Turbopilot]

The penetration comes from the density of the projectile. This is true regardless of whether the object being penetrated is steel plate or fiber-based body armor. A bullet made of those heavy metals without Teflon would penetrate as well or even better, but would wear out barrels too fast.

If I was too harsh in my original post I apologize. The “Teflon cop-killer bullet” myth, like the “plastic gun that’s invisible to X-ray machines”, was a myth that the media invented to lie about guns and I hate seeing it spread.

[CrazyIvan]

I heard that Zim used Critical Defense. I am surprised the media didn't demonize whatever brand it was.

[PowderMonkey]

"If I was too harsh in my original post I apologize."

You are a class act, Turbopilot. We could use more of that around here.

[JimRed]

And the one demonstrated is “only” a 9mm round!

[B4Ranch]

>>. As of now, the company is only releasing specifications for their 9mm round and they go a lil’ something like this: * 16″ Penetration * Up to 6″ diameter spread * 96 gr projectile * 2″ grouping at 25 yrds * 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy * 9 Separate Wound Channels * Precision Machined * Solid Copper / Lead Free * Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing<< Definitely close range ammo.

[catnipman]

“I think a ballistic vest will easily stop them as they would fragment quickly. “

Maybe not. The video claims their teeth work like a spinning hole saw, drilling trough the first obstacle before they lose their energy and fragment.

[rktman]

Rhu Rooo. More of them danged cop killer bullets.

[Nervous Tick]

>> Will cost and availability be better than 22lr ammo right now?

Sure. It couldn’t possibly be worse.

[JDoutrider]

That round looks fairly similar to the BRI sabot 12 ga. rounds I stocked up on back in the early nineties...

Love ‘em!

[Jeff Chandler]

wonder how reliable it is loading in semi autos

I was thinking the same thing. Some autos are fussy about the configuration of the tip.

[Vaquero]

My .357 big game load is 16-17 gr of IMR 4227 with 158gr hornady XTP. It is right around 1100 fps 4” Bbl smith model 17. I’ve used it for coup de gras on whitetails. Never for takedown. A little too big for hominids. Better with the 125 gr which you speak.

[mountainlion]

I have Teflon treated levers barrels of my guns. It used to be the real hot thing but now there are a log of detractors. It is supposed to reduce friction and barrel fouling. If I remember correctly bullet energy is mass times the velocity squared. Penetration is a whole different science that goes into depleted uranium, lead... and what is being penetrated. There are some pressed powder bullets like the Varmint grenade and military penetrator/expanding one they showed on the Military Channel. There is a lot of truth, hype and lies out there and sometimes it is hard to tell the difference.

[Mike Darancette]

A R.I.P. shotgun slug would be entertaining.

[Lazamataz]

The so called cop killer bullets were hard with a Teflon coating that would help penetrate.

Negative. The teflon coat was meant to prevent barrel damage. The round was hardened, and would rip up the barrel. The teflon did no penetrating and aided in no way.

Common mistake.

[mountainlion]

The teflon coat was meant to prevent barrel damage

Also reduced friction, heat, barrel fouling and helped increase velocity.

[Lazamataz]

Correct. But it did not aid in penetration of Kevlar.