Posted on 12/30/2013 4:47:11 PM PST by Morgana
there are no good guys nor bad guys here.....I don't blame the parents for being completely blind to the fact that their child has passed, and I certainly don't blame the medical community for wanting this debacle to end peacefully, at the child's pace, which would happen when all the machines are turned off....
we are not God....we can not make everyone live a full life....we do not have the power....
I’m familiar with all that. And if that is *really* the case there is no hope.
I’m also familiar with newspaper reporters who report information that is incorrect and with surgeons who may make value judgements about who is actually brain dead.
Isn’t it interesting that there are so many people who have very alive functioning organs but their brain is totally supposedly dead.
I agree with your sentiments entirely. Keeping a body “alive” like this is just ghoulish. This is a very different situation than a person in a coma, for example.
“Isn’t it interesting that there are so many people who have very alive functioning organs but their brain is totally supposedly dead.”
You mean, like those people who pull the (D) lever in the voting booth every two years?
Oh I am pretty sure the family is NOT paying the hospital bills. The insurance would have paid for the operation. If the family is using mediCal then the taxpayer is footing the bill.
It is the hospitals business because this tragic case emphasizes that not every person can be maintained on a ventilator. There are limited resources available to any hospital. I feel so sorry for the parents of this young girl but she is long gone from this world. I hope that they can come to some resolution with out driving themselves crazy
“And this is part of the problem. Everyone is filling this family up with false hope, with anecdotes of loved ones who miraculously pulled through. But these tales were of people who weren’t brain dead! This girl’s brain is quickly turning into putrefied jelly. She is NOT coming back.”
This is certainly true, and this exact situation probably happens hundreds of times a day in this country, with no controversy, medical or spiritual, and the machines are turned off. What made this exceptional was the apparent health of the person before the operation and their age.
“If the family was not paying the bills, have no standing in the courtroom.”
and just where did you get your law degree??? This is a minor child and the parents therefore have standing. The hospital is acting in loco parentis and that is what is being argued in court
“Furthermore, the mother thinks that her daughter is living.”
I am glad the mother has feelings…they have nothing to do with reality and facts.
“Do you want to live in a country where an elected judge decides if you’re dead or alive?”
The judge is making no such decision. You have your panties in a twist over an issue that is traumatic and painful for the family. Doctor’s are not God. They make the decisions they make based on the best evidence available to them. Turn the ventilator off and see if this young girl can breathe. If she doesn’t then her brain is not working and she truly is not just brain dead but dead dead.
Always dangerous to paint every situation with your painful experiences from the past.
You are making statements that are all too broad and over generalized and frankly they are out and out lies. IF this story had happened in China then maybe I would agree with you. This child has been brain dead long enough and on a ventilator to make any of her organs useless in a transplant. Your ignorance is only superseded by your pain
so glad that you are so well medically trained. no doubt you will hang out your shingle to help all the rest of us not so specially educated… and yes that is sarcasm
True words. It frustrates me no end when folks who ‘looked’ something up on the internet think that they know better than the docs. The mom keeps using terms like ‘her shoulders move’. Well heck yeah the girl is on a ventilator of course her shoulders move.
Too often these folks have a good heart but NO real knowledge of how the human body works.
Doesn’t matter about other countries…. California has a state law that specifies what is considered the standard for declaring a person brain dead
The hospital pr person is doing a horrible job at showing compassion & caring I heard an interview on the radio of him so callous.
Women in Quebec and Australia have also recovered after being declared brain dead. The criteria do not seem to be infallible.
And if brain tissue actually flowed out the nose, bacteria from the nose would colonize the brain, and the patient would be all the way dead in short order.
Indeed, I'm sure the costs of life support begin to skyrocket when the "patient" is actually deceased.
This story is quickly devolving from tragic and sad to macabre and creepy.
What makes you sure the family is paying the bill? Seems highly unlikely to me.
California law makers made the determination? LOL
The Board of Medical Quality Assurance…. since you practice under a license in California they set what is considered standard practice
Doesn’t it concern you that the states and countries have different criteria for what is considered brain dead?
I don’t want some politicians in the state capital deciding what is dead enough to take my organs.
The only way a doctor is allowed to ‘take your organs’ is if YOU have signed a donor request. If you haven’t they can’t.
I get tired of all the bashing of the medical community that goes on…. even O claimed things that are NOT true and would cost a doc their license if it occurred.
The government through Ocare has already put into place panels that will decide who lives and dies. That is where our efforts should be.
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