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Solar Power No Help During California's Late Peak Winter Hours
Calwatchdog.com ^ | December 13, 2013 | Wayne Lusvardi

Posted on 12/13/2013 1:20:47 PM PST by WayneLusvardi

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To: WayneLusvardi

Here is a site for the California power grid.
http://www.caiso.com/outlook/outlook.html

BTW solar never works at night and wind power never works on a calm day. Nuclear, gas, gas power plants always works 24/7


21 posted on 12/13/2013 2:38:24 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Misterioso
Why not?

Because it looks as if you're using FR to drive traffic to your article instead of simply sharing information.

22 posted on 12/13/2013 3:04:16 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: WayneLusvardi

This comment was powered by a tiny PV solar system.


23 posted on 12/13/2013 4:17:49 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: BfloGuy
Because it looks as if you're using FR to drive traffic to your article instead of simply sharing information.

Virtually every thread started on this site leads to a source so why is that a problem with you and your buddy? Don't tell me you're becoming a groupie too?


24 posted on 12/13/2013 4:34:29 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: WayneLusvardi

Solar energy: our fair-weather friend.


25 posted on 12/13/2013 4:58:09 PM PST by omega4412
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To: Sherman Logan

Not Really if we had a battery big enough to cover Texas.


26 posted on 12/13/2013 5:11:49 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Venturer
Not Really if we had a battery big enough to cover Texas.

Use daytime solar energy to do physical work like pumping water uphill.

27 posted on 12/13/2013 5:34:44 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: molson209
Until there is some really fundamental breakthrough on energy storage technologies (i.e. something above 50% efficiency) both wind and solar are simply politically correct technologies that cost far more than they are actually worth.

Both currently exist only because of government largess courtesy of the taxpayers. On a pure economic basis, they are losers and a drain on the economy.

28 posted on 12/13/2013 6:16:48 PM PST by Ditto
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To: The Antiyuppie
Actually, this has been done in several mechanical (not chemical) ways that on an industrial scale, are surprisingly efficient - one way involves pumping water up hill and then doing hydroelectric power from that.

And it is well below 50% efficiency -- i.e. if you spend 1000 kw pumping up the hill, you get less than 500 kw when it comes back down.

Pump Storage is only used for 'peaking power' where in the middle of the night when electric rates are at their lowest, water is pumped to the top of the hill, and then the next afternoon when rates are at their peak, you allow the water to come back down. But it takes more than twice the energy to pump it to the top of the hill than you can harvest from it when it falls back down.

It only makes sense to do it when energy costs at peak demand is more than twice as much than rates at the period of lowest demand. On net, pump storage units consume more energy than they generate.

It is the same with every energy storage technology. It takes twice or more of the amount of energy to charge the battery than you can get out of it.

29 posted on 12/13/2013 6:34:22 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Mike Darancette

“Use daytime solar energy to do physical work like pumping water uphill.”

Compressing air, heating water, storing in batteries, etc?


30 posted on 12/13/2013 6:45:14 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: WayneLusvardi

Solar and wind are useful adjuncts to normal power production.
They can augment normal supplynat peak demands and are
useful during power outage/shortages. If all homes had 1 watt
per sq ft of area installed it would make a significant dent in the
need for peak power capacity for extreme heat events. It would
Help limit air pollution and save people money. Wind generation
In the right climes has the same advantages. If ALL new construction
required such as part of the building the costs would diminish due to
volume.

Solar/wind can never replace normal power production, it CAN
however be an effective supplement. An added benefit is if enough
homes and other new construction were to have added power supplies
a SHTF scenario might not be so bad....the effects could be mitigated
if enough private power generation capacity existed.


31 posted on 12/13/2013 7:34:36 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: BfloGuy

Maybe he is. But I enjoyed the article.


32 posted on 12/13/2013 8:34:26 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: Hot Tabasco
Virtually every thread started on this site leads to a source so why is that a problem with you and your buddy? Don't tell me you're becoming a groupie too?

Oh, by all means, link to your source. Take credit for what you've written. If it's good, you deserve it. But FR is meant to be a place where like-minded people get together to exchange ideas, not fish for hits.

Just print the whole thing. No problems with that.

33 posted on 12/14/2013 2:07:49 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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