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Who is Jesus Christ and Who is Irrational? (Mike Adams)
clashdaily.com ^ | 12-4-2013 | Mike Adams

Posted on 12/04/2013 3:17:41 PM PST by servo1969

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To: donmeaker

You seem to know a whole lot more about who wrote what than the authors of the notes in my study Bibles - maybe you should write one?


61 posted on 12/04/2013 6:07:19 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Luircin

If that text book is all you have, and there is no other evidence, then it makes sense to be skeptical.

Like “Howard Zinn’s Peoples History” skeptical.

People are always ready to write their today motives into historical persons, or legendary persons.

The difference between history and legend is the history has facts, evidence, and reason to back it up. Legend has a story, but the facts are either impossible to find or impossible to believe.


62 posted on 12/04/2013 6:07:31 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

I read the American Standard Bible, with the imprimater of the Catholic Church.

It has pretty good commentary in it. What do you use?


63 posted on 12/04/2013 6:08:39 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker

Ha, you are wrong again! I doubt and am skeptical of most everything - esp. my own work, but if you think faith is the absence of doubt then you have stopped way short in your analysis of it all.

You ever heard of Shannon’s Theory of Information? Prolly not, since it totally trumps evolution. The msm has done a damn good job of promoting evolution though since the saturation rate is nearly 100% of the US populace. Who doesn’t know something, anything about evolution.

So what about the theory of information ~ just something that gives meaning to sounds, symbols, icons, etc? You and I could not converse on FR without it obviously, but let’s go all the way back to language origins - did it too evolve out of nothing? Not if your willing to study all the research and analysis.

Let’s go even further back now, how about DNA? Does this symbolic intelligence not declare to the very depths of your soul that a very much higher intelligence had to create it for all living things to thrive and survive? To be always pared and mated to like kinds? Evolution is a lie, the evidence screams much more loudly for devolution, or the curse of sin whereby death and destruction entered this once perfect world.

Bottom line though I challenge you to actually read the Bible a little each day or even one special day a week and see if the words don’t strike at the core of your inner being.

Merry Christmas!!!


64 posted on 12/04/2013 6:12:18 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Boogieman

Of course the universe doesn’t need to be eternally expanding.

And the rules by which it expands can change as scales change, just as quantum mechanics is different from macro mechanics, making any ‘proof’ that posits similar rules at differnt scales rather irrelevant.


65 posted on 12/04/2013 6:12:24 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: BrandtMichaels

Shannon’s theory of information doesn’t trump evolution, it supports it.

Information is created as animal species compete. Barriers to competive information lead to different evolution rates and results in different places.

Absent that, you need a combination of special creation and special delivery to explain why particular species are in some places but not others.

That aspect, the investigation of speciation in time and space was what Darwin did with most of his experiments.


66 posted on 12/04/2013 6:16:22 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: ShadowAce

Oh, the poster is even more ignorant than that. The letters from Paul are known to have been sent by Paul. Surprise! And in those letters Paul writes of his direct meetings with the Apostles on at least three occasions. Again, surprise! And Paul testifies as to meeting Jesus while on the road traveling to Damascus to persecute ‘fallen Jews’ who were believers in Jesus having seen Him and witnessed his miracles. It takes an obstinant heretic to deny that the Bible has eyewitness accounts. Some will make any twist of mental faculties to cling to belief that what they reject has any credulity.


67 posted on 12/04/2013 6:17:31 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

No, DNA doesn’t scream ‘higher intelligence’. Rather it seems to me to be an evolutionary advantage over RNA in one environment that permited other evolutionary advantages in other environments.

Why DNA? It didn’t have to be DNA from RNA It could have been Per Oxy Ribo Nucleac Acid (PORNA) and then all our browsers would give us bad hits for things we technical folks didn’t want to look at. Luck!


68 posted on 12/04/2013 6:20:54 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: Lucas McCain

Sigh! Obviously just another one who quotes but doesn’t read. It also says [paraphrased] God’s laws are written on our hearts and we will be judged by what we do know, not by what we don’t.

And it is surprisingly straightforward to read, but no one can ever mine all the depths and breadths of the Holy Bible.


69 posted on 12/04/2013 6:21:09 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: donmeaker

So you think man is simply a more advance ape then? Rather than one created in the likeness of Our Creator. Mankind uniqueness does not simply jump off the page from where they claim we came?

Furthermore, all of the grand claims of evolution are a lot like Obama promises. Surprising that you don’t have the time to actually read any of the problems with evolution.


70 posted on 12/04/2013 6:26:08 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: MHGinTN

Certainly the bible has eyewitness accounts. It is just that we don’t have them.

We have copies of copies of copies with no originals.

And what do these copies have in them. Well we get a dream from Joseph, father of Jesus. We get stars that show very interesting behavior not at all in line with what Newton would accept. We get miracles such as walking on water, and multipling of the loaves and fishes. We get odd medical practices such as washing ones eyes to cure blindness.

In short, we get myths that combine word games (sons of thunder) with the fantastic.


71 posted on 12/04/2013 6:26:14 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: BrandtMichaels

Man’s unique 43 chromosomes seems to look a lot like a 44 chromosome ape that had a failed telomere, that stuck two chromosomes together. We even have the same scars from long ago retrovirus infections in our genes as in the chimpanzee genes.

An adult human has many features of an immature Chimp.The same parts are there, just used a bit differently. Primates all need to eat Vitamin C, whereas nearly all other animals sythesize it from other foods.

Did G-d create man? I think that is unanswerable, as untestable, but it is very hard to deny that if so, he used our chimpanzee relatives as a prototype.


72 posted on 12/04/2013 6:31:45 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: BrandtMichaels

Or we can, and then someone comes up with another interpretation to make up for the parts that don’t make sense.


73 posted on 12/04/2013 6:32:44 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker

Actually they both had to be created together - DNA and rNA - at the same time by an intelligent being. Let’s not forget evolution has no answer for abiogenesis - the same as you really have no answer for the beginnings of the Earth and Universe. Just mere conjecture that leads you in circles. Hurtling turtles all the way down...


74 posted on 12/04/2013 6:32:45 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: donmeaker

I guess you are math challenged too. There is not enough time even in the conjectured billions of years for evolution to rewrite the DNA differences between man and ape let alone the difference between all the other created kinds.


75 posted on 12/04/2013 6:36:23 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

No, they don’t have to be created together.

A cell will do just fine with only RNA. Some cells do that. They do have a higher mutation rate, and that can be an advantage, or a disadvantage based on the environment.


76 posted on 12/04/2013 6:36:26 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: BrandtMichaels

No, math I am pretty good at.

before you talk about differences not being possible in units of time, you have to talk about rates. Since your post was short on that, you don’t know what you are talking about.

And by the way, differnt mutations can occur in different individuals, and the successful ones can glom together, shortening the time to evolve by a factor of the number of individuals.


77 posted on 12/04/2013 6:38:59 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker

Mathematicians as a whole have the highest rate of rejection of evolutionary fairy tales. A majority in fact - much higher than anyone can say for self-named christians with beliefs all over the map.

Also I noticed how you didn’t touch on abiogenesis - something you’ve not studied I’d guess since you think you have an answer for everything - namely hot air!


78 posted on 12/04/2013 6:48:27 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: donmeaker

Nobody said it was easy. In fact, just about everybody says it is incredibly hard.


79 posted on 12/04/2013 6:49:28 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: BrandtMichaels

No, I just want to go eat supper. I will help you with your high school biology another time.


80 posted on 12/04/2013 6:49:49 PM PST by donmeaker
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