Former Brigham Young University Professor Tells of Mormon Family’s Conversion to Christianity

ChristianNews.Net ^ | Oct. 23, 2013 | Heather Clark

[SZonian]

Ok, hope all is well with you and the Mr.

[SZonian]

Projection...it does a liberal good.

Feeling good are you?

Disagreement is not bigotry, unless you’re a liberal and then everything not in lockstep with your idealogy is bigotry.

How you feeling? Good? It looks like it.

[svcw]

mormonism is not Christianity

[svcw]

How is a family coming to Christ bigotry?

Are you able to defend mormonism or just bash Christians?

[svcw]

An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”

The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”

“Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.

“Okay,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”

The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.” To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know shit?”

Was that you on the plane?

[svcw]

Really? This is not a site that says allah is the true god, why are you here?

[TurkeyLurkey]

I watched the video at the link. It is a WONDERFUL, Christ-exalting testimony!...info on order the DVD at the end

[TurkeyLurkey]

When you get to the link, scroll down and watch the video, about 45 minutes...you’ll see things differently

[CyberAnt]

This is very exciting to me.

My grandchild’s birth mother joined the Mormon Church several years ago. While it did help her to become a better mother to her 4 children, as well as a better housekeeper and wife to her husband, my grandchild is a born again, baptized in the Holy Ghost Christian.

We’ve spent a lot of time discussing how to witness to the birth mother. We know she sees how her oldest child has a relationship with God that she does not have.

This book may be the answer I’ve prayed for.

Thank you.

[aimhigh]

Maybe we can burn these Mormon heretics. Then we can go after the Papists. Then them Jews.

These came from your fingertips, not ours. Looks like you are the bigot.

[GreenOgre]

Christianity:

The belief that some cosmic wizard cast a spell and created everything in six days. He will make you live forever if you telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master and he will remove an evil force from our soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[svcw]

So you are the atheist on the plane, makes sense to me, doesn’t surprise me you know nothing of Christ.

Just a question, why are you on FR?
You have seen Jim’s statements about God haven’t you?
Wouldn’t you happier with people who also are the guy on the plane?

[svcw]

Not likely, the person is praising allah

[svcw]

Interesting thread comments today - atheist and praiser of allah mocking Christians and Salvation - I guess its a change of pace from the mormons that do the same thing.

[greyfoxx39]

Uhh, Mormons ARE Christians.

I sat in pews in mormon chapels and heard the damnation of "Christianity" from the pulpit as it has been damned by mormons from the beginning of the sect.

The "adoption of the term Christian" by mormonism is very recent, and IMO the result of marketing directives by PR firms hired by Salt Lake City.

The following is a sample of the TRUE view of Christianity by mormons.

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"Christians— those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89


Prophet John Taylor (1808 - 1887):


"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225


Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):


"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches ... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance"

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 14, p. 346

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, "We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John's Church, St. Paul's Church, St. Peter's Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;" and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches. But there has been a long apostacy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written—"Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots." This kind of a church has existed in great abundance, for as John the Revelator says, she was to have her dominion upon many waters, and she was to make all nations drunken with the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from earth to heaven, what was left? A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who, after having made war with the saints, and overcome them, and destroyed them out of the earth, were left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority, and to follow after the cunning craftiness of uninspired men; having no Apostle, Prophet, or Revelator to inquire of God for them: and thus, because of wickedness, the Church, and Priesthood, and gifts, and ordinances and blessings of the everlasting Gospel, were taken from the earth, and reserved in heaven until the fulness of times, when it was predicted that they should again be restored among men to continue until the end should come.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Chapter 16, p. 205


Prophet Wilford Woodruff (1807 - 1898):


"The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called"

- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 196


Apostle George Q. Cannon (1827 - 1901):


"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."

- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
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"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
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Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
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"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
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"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171

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[oldbill]

Well, if there is only one Jesus and one Christian church founded by him, then any other denominations not one with that original church of Jesus’ own creation must be a false church, no?

So is what all of you Mormon haters are saying is that that original church, which I believe is that papist Catholic Church, the only one around in 33 AD, the only true church with the only real Jesus?

Are all those other “Christian” churches false heretics or pagans because they do not follow the original Jesus? Shouldn’t we all start following that pope in his silly white dress?

How does a Mormon then differ from a Baptist or Episcopalian or Methodist? They all tossed aside the original Jesus.

[GreenOgre]

Likewise you know nothing of the Loch Ness Monster, or Yeti, or Odin, or Zeus....

[svcw]

Before someone says but that was then this is now:

Ward Teachers circa 1945 -
“When the [LdS] Prophet speaks the debate is over.”

LdS Church First Counselor, Eldon Tanner in a 1979 -
“When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done.”

[svcw]

Why are you on FR?

[TurkeyLurkey]

Y’all don’t want to miss the video! There is a video at the link after the article.