Posted on 09/26/2013 8:16:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Fatherland.
Some of the dialogue was shocking...they had the Beatles on tour, Joseph Kennedy here in the USA...well, won't spoil the plot.
And behind it all, underlying the plot, was a great Evil and rumors of the disappearance of large numbers of Jews. Oh, the war was still brewing (this is past-1960, folks!) with the Russians, who just simply never ever gave up.
Creepy book.
Sauron
...and if SAURON says it's creepy....
Churchill allied with Stalin to save GB. They were facing Nazi’s coming over the Channel, not Communists.
Perhaps Hitler put on an act when Hess' adjutants, Leitgen and Pintsch, went in to see Hitler ahead of Albert Speer, who had an appointment.
"I suddenly heard an inarticulate, almost animal, outcry. Then Hitler roared: 'Bormann, at once! Where is Bormann?' Bormann was told to get in touch with Goering, Ribbentrop, Goebbels, and Himmler by the fastest possible means. All private guests were confined to the upper floor [of the Berghof, Hitler's residence above Berchtesgaden]. Many hours passed before we learned what had happened: Hitler's deputy had flown to hostile England...
"...[Hitler:] 'Who will believe me when I say that Hess did not fly there in my name...?'...
[Bormann succeeded Hess as Deputy Fuehrer.]
"...At the time it appeared to [Speer] that Bormann's ambition had driven Hess to this desperate act...By his flight to England, Hess was probably trying...to win prestige and some success..."
Speer says Hess disclaimed having had Hitler's approval:
"Twenty-five years later, in Spandau prison, Hess assured [Speer] in all seriousness that the idea had been inspired in him in a dread by supernatural forces."
Or maybe Speer lied in his memoirs.
All quotes from Inside the Third Reich, Albert Speer, Macmillan, 1970, pp. 209-211. Typos, ellipses, and bracketed interpolations are mine.
Hess was not locked up in solitary; in Spandau prison, kept by the allies for the imprisonment of the highest-level war criminals, Hess was in what we would call "general population" and could socialize with the others. In later years (I think, after Albert Speer and Baldur von Shirach were released in 1966), he was alone, only because he had a life sentence and everyone else had been released.
Source: Spandau: The Secret Diaries, by Albert Speer. I can't pull quotes from it just now as it is out on loan.
Correction:
"...in a dream..."
That's because he thought he could force an armistice in the West.
Thanks Olog-hai.
It has long been know that Hitler’s vision was that Britain retain the Empire, the U.S. would dominant the Western Hemisphere, Japan the Far East and Germany would be dominant in Europe. He did not want to conquer Britain, nor the United States. This is nothing new.
Hesse felt the Nordic Anglo-Saxons, including America which was overwhelming white at the time, should join Germany in a war against the Slavs.
Interesting.
Now where did you get all this?
The fellow whose party motto was “Today Germany, tomorrow the world” wanted to retain the pre-war status quo? and leave Mary’s Dowry unconquered? All that rage against the Ausländer was not for naught.
You’re right.
And the Soviets contributed to the defense of England, as opposed to the British Allies the Czechs and the Poles (who flew in RAF, and whom Churchill betrayed in 1944-5) just how?
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under 'communism' and 'fascism'. As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939,'the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.’No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.What is promised to us as the Road to Freedom is in fact the Highroad to Servitude. For it is not difficult to see what must be the consequences when democracy embarks upon a course of planning. The goal of the planning will be described by some such vague term as 'the general welfare'. There will be no real agreement as to the ends to be attained, and the effect of the people's agreeing that there must be central planning, without agreeing on the ends, will be rather as if a group of people were to commit themselves to take a journey together without agreeing where they want to go: with the result that they may all have to make a journey which most of them do not want at all. - F A Hayek,
The Road to Serfdom (Reader's Digest Condensed Version April 1945)
And the point is? One can drown in the ocean or in an Olympic swimming pool, and...
And also Hayek is an economist not a theologian. You can’t look at everything through the eyes of economy. You’ll miss a lot if you do.
Your original post credited Communism with at least not being Nazism. And in fact, tho I don’t have a link or a direct quote, Road to Serfdom (written before the NAZI death camps were revealed) predicted that something terrible would be learned about the behavior of the NAZIs by analogy with the known existence of Soviet gulags (a term popularized later by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn).
I still don’t get your insinuation, but it seems to be something evil.
Hess didn’t take a dump without asking Hitler for permission.
The US entry into the war ruined Hitler’s plan, or should I specifically say, Hitler’s Declaration of War on the US.
Britain was neutralized, if not defeated. But foolishly, Hitler thought the Japs would help him against Russia as a quid pro quo for Germany declaring war on the US.
For Stalin, it was to guarantee a War in the West, to greatly weaken the European armies and make the continent easy pickings for the Red Army.
It's actually fortunate that France fell as quickly as it did, and saved the Western campaign from being a bloodbath.
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