Posted on 09/07/2013 11:57:54 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
From the article: On Friday, notes The Star, the boy told police and school officials that the teacher didn’t hurt him.
Mother should have found out more before going off the deep end.
Keepin’ it real ?
As a middle school principal, I can tell you that the story parents get from their children is not always the truth but many times parents take their child’s side of the story as gospel. Many times when a parent angrily contacts me about something that happened at school, after I investigate we’ll find that the true story is quite different than what the child told their parent. There also have been times that we may need to physically grab or restrain a student for their own or others safety. With that in mind, the teacher may or may not have done something wrong with the child but there is no justification for what the parent did.
You are correct, this parent deserves jail time for assault.
HOWEVER, how many “teachers” have o bidness being teachers?
How many kids are let down because ya can’t yank a bad teacher.
And how many politically correct school districts insist on throwing the head bangers into the classrooms with the regular kids? Parent who love their children must make whatever sacrifice necessary to get their kids out of the government schools.
What, and bypass the indoctrination?
If I came home from school with a missing arm my Mom would have taken the side of the teacher and spanked me in addition.
Yeah, like Salem MA.
Never saw that one before...very funny. :-)
Are you a trained investigator?
Is it not a conflict of interest that someone within the same school perform an investigation?
Is this not like government, cops and DA's investigating themselves?
No white mom is going to assault a black teacher in this environment.
Similarly, no black mom is going to assault a black teacher, because she has no way of knowing if the black teacher has a thug boyfriend who would go find her.
Only white female teachers are safe to assault like that.
re: “Why would you conduct the investigation? Are you a trained investigator? Is it not a conflict of interest that someone within the same school perform an investigation?
Is this not like government, cops and DA’s investigating themselves?”
So, the principal should not have tried to find out what happened? If you were the principal you don’t think you have a personal responsibility to find out whether or not an accusation against one of your employees has merit or not?
Who should do the investigating? The police? So, every time an altercation at a school happens we have to have an outside body investigate? How practical is that? If the accusation rises to the level of a crime, then yes, of course local authorities should be involved, but do you have any idea how many situations like the one described happen?
So, the principal should not have tried to find out what happened?
And do what with it? Play investigator
Arrest the mother?
Fire the teacher?
If there was murder on campus, would the kiddies principal conduct the investigation?
Well lemme ask ya rusty, if your reputation, your career, and or school record and or your criminal record were on the line, would ya want some wannabe biased kiddy principal playing investigator?
the kidmsaid the teacher didn’t hurt him.
On the one hand, I remember when I was a kid. If I did something stupid, the teacher would discipline me, and when my parents found out what I did wrong, they would side with the teacher and discipline me a second time.
These days, the teachers aren't trusted with discipline, and for good reason for the most part. Teachers are now, mostly, mush-minded socialist who do not have the kid's best interest in mind, but the best interest of "society" (read: socialist sheep-dom).
But in the rare case where there is a teacher who does have the kid's best interest in mind, and the kid does something stupid that should be corrected, the teacher will be vilified by the parents, the press, and the other teachers if he tries to correct the bad behavior.
I respect and admire homeschool parents - you are doing a terrific job. My wife homeschooled some of our kids for awhile, too.
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And.....”I love your show. I voted for Bush.” /s
re: “Well lemme ask ya rusty, if your reputation, your career, and or school record and or your criminal record were on the line, would ya want some wannabe biased kiddy principal playing investigator?”
Look, dragnet2, the principal of a school is like the division supervisor of a department of a company/business. It’s their job to supervise their employees as well as supervise and enforce the rules of conduct of students and faculty, to observe/evaluate the strength and weaknesses of the teaching skills of each teacher and recommend help where needed.
When something happens on campus of a ordinary circumstance - i.e. fight between students, academic issues of students, behavior issues that disrupt the classroom on a regular basis (kids acting up on a regular basis, extreme disrespect, etc.).
Principals are required to be the initial investigators of all disciplinary issues on campus whether involving students or faculty or both. That’s part of the job and always has been.
They (as well as all school personnel) are required by law to report any suspected criminal activity whether its on the part of a student or a faculty member - especially on issues involving child abuse or suspected child abuse. School personnel are held liable by law, both state and federal law, for not reporting a child abuse situation or a suspected child abuse situation to police.
So, yes, dragnet2, whether we like it or not - it is the principal who initially starts asking questions of all involved in any given NORMAL school-related altercation (from a kid complaining another kid called him a name to a full on fist fight). Situations like someone bringing a weapon on campus, drugs, sexual abuse - the principal is usually the one who contacts the police department if the situation rises to that level.
The principal is the one whose job it is to make initial inquiries to find out how serious a particular event is.
If I’m understanding you correctly, it sounds like you think if a kid is sent to the office (i.e. the principal) for cussing out a teacher that the principal is supposed to call the cops for every little issue or accusation that comes up - without making initial inquiries as to what happened?? Is THAT what you are saying?
Someone has to make initial inquiries into an accusation by a student against a teacher - IF THAT ACCUSATION RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A CRIMINAL NATURE like child abuse or sexual abuse - then of course the police are called in to investigate - but even in that situation, the principal will be asked BY THE POLICE if he/she has looked into any of this to see if there is enough evidence to merit them coming in and making a formal investigation.
So, dragnet2, if you were a teacher, it is true, right now, that your reputation, your career, and school record are on the line by what a principal says about you - that’s the way it is and always has been. That’s why all teachers carry professional liability insurance in case they are accused of misconduct or criminal activity, or of academic misconduct. Lawyers have a field day with public schools.
Guess what?
I think government schooling is soooooooo EVIL that I will NOT have a government teacher for a friend. I won't have an abortion worker or a concentration camp guard for a friend, either. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a useful idiot to be a friend.
One reason the K-12 schools exist is because armies of workers **willingly** agree to run them. The same is true for abortion centers, and concentration camps, too!
So..If the institution is horrible then the people who run them are horrible by default.
It is HORRIBLE that children are under police threat to attend prison-like schools that are GODLESS and the very definition of a single-payer and socialist-entitlement. It is HORRIBLE that taxpayers are under police threat to pay for it.
Government schooling is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination and millions of **willing** workers make it happen day after day.
It is HORRIBLE to force a child into a godless school where they **will** learn to think and reason godlessly . They must just to cooperate in the godless classroom. How could it be otherwise? And **millions** of socialist-entitlement school workers agree to do this every school day. I am to praise them for this? You are kidding? I hope.
It is HORRIBLE that children are FORCED under police threat and court action to attend a socialist-entitlement and single-payer school where they risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. Hey! If the voting mob can give them tuition-free schooling, why not use the voting mob to get lots of “free” stuff? Teachers and principals WILLING **seek** to do this horrible act to children. This isn't wonderful. IT IS AN ABOMINATION!
Far too many should never be allowed around children. Evil monsters.
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And...As you posted, this was a “nice quiet small conservative district...”
wow!
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