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(Vanity) Seeking Legal Advice Re. BSA Policy Change
none | Kinsman Redeemer

Posted on 08/05/2013 7:11:53 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer

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To: cradle of freedom
38 How about “Boy Pioneers” instead of “Scouts”.

http://www.onmyhonor.net/2013/07/09/press-conference/

From the link above - "The new organization’s name is currently in development and undergoing an extensive process of legal research and trademark protection. The organizational structure and primary programs are also currently being developed."

The major national groups working together to create the new organization are ...

•OnMyHonor.net
•Faith Based Boys
•TrailHead USA
•Frontier Service Corps

41 posted on 08/09/2013 2:16:55 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: cradle of freedom
39 If the Anglican Church could proudly parade their gay peacock bishop it is not impossible to imagine that the liberal churches would just love to show the nation how “enlightened” they are by having gay scout troups. They would be competing with each other to be the first to welcome the gay/bisexual/transgender scouts. Tolerance is the greatest virtue of the day.

384 BC – 322 BC - Aristotle: attributed but unverified -“Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.”

Just a slight nudge in terminology here. The exact church to which you are referring is TEC = The Episcopal Church. There is a whole smorsgabord of "continuing" Anglican churches which have schismed from TEC since 2003 (and even before that on other issues) when the open homosexual Gene Robinson was consecrated as diocesan bishop of the state of NH. Thankfully, he retired, prematurely, this year. But there is at least 1 other suffragan bishop out in some California diocese who is lesbo.

Back on 6/20/2013, the bishop of the Diocese of Alabama encouraged Episcopal parishes within his realm to assume the charters of those units which were being discontinued because of the 5/23/2013 BSA vote. The problem, though, is that TEC is dying on the vine. Fewer parishes, fewer average Sunday attendance, fewer baptisms, fewer marriages, fewer members and older average member age.

42 posted on 08/09/2013 2:37:55 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: kinsman redeemer
37 ... Who will stand up and fight? If not me, who? I believe that elite institutions, along with individuals who act based on Godly Principles - out of the public spotlight - CAN and SHOULD influence thought-leaders, policy, and the law far more than elections. I believe in the POWER of God to change hearts and minds.

This is one of the principle reasons why Christians are here during this AGE. We are to show people a more excellent way. We are to demonstrate and declare God's Love for them. We are to lead them to the Cross and then the Throne of God so that, in submission and obedience to Him, they willingly conform to the image of Christ!

... What else would I do? If I retreat from the fight, am I serving the King? If I do not tell a sinner that God loves him and that he does not need to be ruled by sin - am I serving the King of Glory? I don't think so.

Though we disagree on which course to take, I respect and admire your position. I encourage you to continue to post on FR your experiences with this topic over the coming year. God may very well work with the faithful remnant who choose to stay affiated with the BSA and even turn matters around.

Ezekiel 33:7-9 (NIV, 2011) 7 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for [a] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.

But what happens when the parents of the same-sex afflicted scout objects to your Christian ministry on this matter and present their case to the local council scout executive?

Matthew 10:14-16 (NIV, © 2011) 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

43 posted on 08/09/2013 3:07:49 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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I wish I had help to offer. I’m a BSA adult leader, and have been for a pretty long time. I have a lot of time and effort invested in working with these boys and their predecessors, and it breaks my heart to see what BSA has done.

My youngest son will make Eagle rank before the end of this year, and he and I will both formally leave BSA the day before BSA’s new policy goes into effect.

We will be moving to a new organization that is more reflective of our values, and we believe will be a more positive organization for boys. BSA has become pretty corrupt, in my opinion. This vote to change policy was a complete slap in the face, because 2/3rd of BSA’s adult leaders were opposed to it. BSA, unfortunately, has a lot of leaders at the top of the food chain who do not, an did not subscribe to BSA’s core beliefs...which means they should have never been in BSA to begin with, let alone allowed to rise to the top of the national level.

Sad day for BSA, and for the country.


44 posted on 09/29/2013 5:56:15 AM PDT by RavenATB
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