Posted on 07/05/2013 9:07:59 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
You most conveniently omitted a photograph of the shellcase headstamps. On purpose? To paraphrase James Carville, "It's the headstamp stupid"!
One final note on reloaded ammunition that incorporates shellcases of unknown history - oats are also cheaper after they have been through the horse.
Ammo here, via email notice 6:30pm today:
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I used to order from FreedomMunitions until they started price gouging.
Got 1000 rounds of .45 auto for $289 back in December ‘12, now it’s over $400.
Hornady reloading manual, third ed printed 1987, from my personal library. Just in case you were doubting yourself.
I’m sorry you are so disturbed by my FReeper name, but I don’t require or desire your input. Any idea how arrogant and patronizing that comment was? You don’t know the first thing about me or my knowledge of firearms. I am sure there are plenty who know much more than I, but I have been around guns all of my life.
I’ve been shooting .45 Colt since around 1970. It was the first centerfire handgun round I ever shot. Since then I have owned about a dozen .45 Colt revolvers (Colts, Rugers, Ubertis) and one carbine so chambered, so I’m well-versed in the proper nomenclature.
I attempted to register here as .45 Colt, but that name was taken, so I used .45 Long Colt. It was something of a personal tribute to my grandfather. He taught me to shoot and he collected Colt revolvers. He was a firearm enthusiast, a hunting guide, and the founder of a company that sold guns for sixty years. He hunted with the famous Winchester trick shooter, Herb Parsons, whom he had known since they were both boys. I still hunt some of the same places they hunted.
I used that name because I know that in the 1800’s the name .45 Long Colt was often employed to distinguish the .45 Colt cartridge from the shorter .45 S&W Schofield. When both rounds were in use by the military some must have been more concerned with understanding which round they were talking about than the particulars of nomenclature.
I used that name because I also know that over the past century plus, manufacturers have, from time to time, labeled their ammo .45 Long Colt. I don’t know why, but they have and occasionally still do. I happen to have a couple of boxes of 325 grain “Bear Load” manufactured by HSM. They are labeled “.45 Long Colt” and available through Midway USA if you would like a box. (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/544894/hsm-bear-ammunition-45-colt-long-colt-325-grain-wide-flat-nose-gas-check-box-of-50).
I also know Sellier and Bellot sells .45 Colt labeled “.45 Long Colt” for cowboy action shooting. And any number of manufacturers label their ammo “.45 LC.” Only recently I saw some “.45 Long Colt” wax bullets sold by Colt. They appeared to be at least fifty years old.
Before my grandfather’s death his company had an incredible collection of old ammo boxes, a number of which I’m certain were labeled “.45 Long Colt Smokeless.” They were really old, 19th century old. Unfortunately I don’t have his collection here, so I’m relying on memory and am unsure who manufactured them.
Bottom line: Even though .45 Colt is proper, there is plenty of historical precedent for using the .45 Long Colt designation, so I am using it. Period.
Maybe you should write Sellier and Bellot and HSM and advise them that they are in violation of formal SAAMI designations. I’m sure they would love to hear from you.
You don’t need to justify your handle, it is in no way offensive.
But if you are curious about the history, it was military personnel that started calling it the Long Colt back in the 1800’s. They were also using a SW pistol in .45 that took a shorter cartridge. Thus the people actually using the weapons would make sure they asked for the .45 long Colt ammo, rather than the other short .45 ammo.
Thanks, FRiend. Indeed you are quite correct. That’s what I explained to the condescending Buffalo Headcase. Perhaps he is unaware the S&W Model 3, initially a .44, was later chambered in .45 Schofield for use by the cavalry. The shorter .45 Schofield cartridge could be used in revolvers chambered for .45 Colt (Colt SAA or simply “Peacemaker”), but the .45 Colt was too long for .45 Schofield chambers.
Your essay full of name dropping and classic schoolboy excuses for misbehaving reveal much more about yourself than you may have intended.
So, being around guns all of your life qualifies you as an expert? Not any more than changing bed pans over several decades qualifies you as a medical doctor.
You claim to be well versed in proper cartridge nomenclature but refuse to conform to industry protocol. More indication of a defiant and immature mind set. Your oft repeated nonsense concerning the .45 S&W Schofield has been printed often enough by ill informed gun writers that reasonable people now may believe that fairy tale. Advanced cartridge collectors and researchers with far better credentials that yours have been unable to document any usage of the “Long” moniker prior to World War II, many decades after that shorter cartridge was put to bed.
A far more plausible explanation is that returning WWII vets coined that terminology to distinguish between the G.I. Caliber 45 Ball Model 1911 of which they were recently familiar and the older .45 Colt cartridge.
Yes, several non-SAAMI and off-shore ammunition assemblers seem as unaware as yourself about proper cartridge designations. Your mother taught you that it took how many wrongs to create a right?
It's the headstamp stupid! Please grow up!
That could be Brass MAXX, .45 ACP was what I snagged on Sunday morning on the way to the range. It says TulAmmo, which generally means Russian mfg but these say Made in Italy. Fiochii maybe? Brass case FMJ, clean shooting and boxer non-corrosive primed. I got it less than 20 a box, 18 something IRRC.
Yep, and add lead to your list. My buddy casts, I got him some moulds so we’re okay on most projectiles. It’s hit or miss on powders and primers. Luckily we’re not all that picky, that’s what reloading manuals are for.
I went to the gun show today. Primers and powder were both more available than before but not the stuff I normally use. Not a cast bullet to be found though.
I have had luck mail ordering from a commercial caster in the region.
Lucky Gunner is a good site...plenty of ammo and not too awful bad prices.
Bump for later
A trick I learned was to go to customer service and see if they are holding some of the smaller calibers behind the counter because of thieves!
Try it and you may be surprised.
I don’t have to justify myself to you. I don’t want or need your approval. Regardless of the history of the cartridge or my biography, I made an innocent comment on another subject. You took the opportunity to seek me out for an uncalled for, angry, condescending lecture. THAT says more than I need to know about you. I shouldn’t have answered you in the first place. It is obvious you are an unbalanced person. Think what you want of me, just keep your crazy to yourself and leave me alone.
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