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How Nature refused to re-examine the 1989 CalTech experiment
LENR-CANR.org ^ | May 2012 | Jed Rothwell

Posted on 03/24/2013 9:57:16 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: Toddsterpatriot

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


21 posted on 03/25/2013 8:06:30 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
How do you account for the fact that this effect has been replicated more than 14,000 times?

Always funny.

I wonder if Kevmo's Chinese source for that number actually listed all 14k experiments. How else could it be peer reviewed?

22 posted on 03/25/2013 8:11:20 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
No problem. Everyone should be exposed to your silly claims.

"Orders of magnitude more energy are produced than any possible chemical reaction", still a classic.

23 posted on 03/25/2013 8:11:40 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


24 posted on 03/25/2013 12:08:36 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I’ll read his silliness when scientific merit is demonstrated and a working model is available to the public as promised. Sorry guy, but your continuous babbling of such activity calls into question your credibiity on this issue. You citing of work that has actually been performed and refuted by the Navy scientist who were involved is even more disturbing on a professional level. 14,000 times indeed. I have licensed new IP with on a few repetitions of the science in question. This is a scam and is seen as such by most reputable scientific mind I know in this business. But I’m sure that you are going to quote all kinds of non-data driven experiments by more scammers and charlottens, then point to a myriad of blogs, topic driven marketing sites in an effort at credibility. All you are doing is overpromisong and delivering NOTHING, just like your Rossi hero. Good day, Snake-oil Man.
25 posted on 03/25/2013 1:20:50 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Kevmo
No problem. Everyone should be exposed to your silly claims.

"Orders of magnitude more energy are produced than any possible chemical reaction", still a classic.

26 posted on 03/25/2013 1:55:22 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


27 posted on 03/25/2013 2:11:13 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: fuente

I’ll read his silliness when
***Like the priests who refused to look through Galileo’s telescope, you are the charlatan here.

scientific merit is demonstrated and a working model
***Raising the bar for LENR while lowering the bar for hot fusion, the standard “where’s my LENR car” line. Where is my hot fusion car? Especially since hundreds of $billions have been spent towards this goal with no “working models” in sight.

is available to the public as promised. Sorry guy, but your continuous babbling of such activity
***It is simply putting forth scientific activity. You have a problem with it because you are an anti-science Luddite.

calls into question your credibiity on this issue.
***Your credibility is in question. You don’t seem to have looked into the facts surrounding LENR, and you refuse to look through the telescope and bring yourself up to speed, like a standard anti-science Luddite skeptopath.

You citing of work that has actually been performed and refuted by the Navy scientist who were involved
***Bowlsheet. Pamela Mossier-Boss never refuted her own work. Her funding just got stopped. You don’t seem to have any facts straight at all.

is even more disturbing on a professional level. 14,000 times indeed.
***Yes. 14,000 times. Or is it your position that someone in the Chinese Acadamy of Sciences doesn’t know how to count? Talk about “disturbing on a professional level”, your own attitude is utterly anti-science and filled with arrogance & stupidity.

I have licensed new IP with on a few repetitions of the science in question.
***Maybe you could afford to take a writing class, then. Your IP is ENGINEERing based. You haven’t developed any SCIENCE at this level, otherwise you’d be getting a Nobel prize. Geez, you are so ignorant.

This is a scam
***Prove it. Make a call to the FBI to have LENR scientists rounded up. Write a protest to the Chinese Academy of Science because one of their scientists doesn’t know how to count. Send letters to the supervisors at NASA because 2 of their scientists are working in this field. Send a letter to the CEO of STMicro or even Scientific Instruments (who cite over 150 replications of the Anomalous Heat Effect). You won’t because you do not honestly believe this is a scam, and that is what makes you a charlatan.

and is seen as such by most reputable scientific mind
***Reputable? How about Nobel Prize winner Schwinger, or the folks at STMicro or Mitsubishi or Scientific Instruments? They aren’t reputable in your mind?

I know in this business. But I’m sure that you are going to quote all kinds of non-data driven experiments
***Again, you show a tremendous ignorance of the data available to anyone who has just an ounce of curiosity. Non-Data driven experiments? What a bunch of crap. Lenr-Canr.org is filled with scientific data papers, peer reviewed, “reputable scientists”, all the rest. You are truly showing the classic signs of a skeptopath.

by more scammers and charlottens, then point to a myriad of blogs, topic driven marketing sites in an effort at credibility.
***I’ve never seen WW do that. He points people to LENR-CANR.org just like most of us do. You are so full of bowlsheet.

All you are doing is overpromisong and delivering NOTHING,
***Hot fusion is the group who has overpromised and delivered nothing. Over 60 years and the most energy generated was 6MJ over a few milliseconds, while several LENR experiments have generated over 300MJ over months.

just like your Rossi hero. Good day, Snake-oil Man.
***When was the last time an article was posted on FR that was pro-Rossi? It was done by the Luddites who are AGAINST Rossi, and it was several months ago. You are thoroughly ignorant of the latest information and trends. You simply do not know what you are talking about.


28 posted on 03/25/2013 2:39:29 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: fuente
"I’ll read his silliness when scientific merit is demonstrated and a working model is available to the public as promised."

LOL. Translation...."My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts". FYI, Beaudette's background is VERY similar to your own (engineering manager for a major high-tech company (EG&G)). One can hardly consider him a "scammer".

"Sorry guy, but your continuous babbling of such activity calls into question your credibiity on this issue.

All I have ever done is recommend that people check out the published science. It that is "babbling" and damages my credibility, then so be it.

"You citing of work that has actually been performed and refuted by the Navy scientist who were involved is even more disturbing on a professional level."

And what specific work would that be. I don't recall citing anything by "a Navy scientist", though some Navy folks have done some good work.

"14,000 times indeed.

Sorry, Dudley.....wrong guy. I have NEVER used that phrase in any post.

"I have licensed new IP with on a few repetitions of the science in question. This is a scam and is seen as such by most reputable scientific mind I know in this business.

And who would that be, pray tell. Once again, you rely on "your unknown expert". Why not actually look at the data yourself, just once?

"But I’m sure that you are going to quote all kinds of non-data driven experiments by more scammers and charlottens, then point to a myriad of blogs, topic driven marketing sites in an effort at credibility.

Again, wrong guy. Everything I have cited leads back to published science (as does Beaudette's book). But nice rant.

"All you are doing is overpromisong and delivering NOTHING, just like your Rossi hero.

LOL. I haven't promised anything at any time. And Rossi is by no means "my hero". But another nice rant.

"Good day, Snake-oil Man."

Good day, Willfully Ignorant Man.

29 posted on 03/25/2013 2:57:51 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: fuente

ach....how could I have missed that???? thanks for the update ;)


30 posted on 03/25/2013 3:13:25 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Kevmo

sure thing just keep thinking that


31 posted on 03/25/2013 3:13:50 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ladyjane

progress is sometimes slow


32 posted on 03/25/2013 3:14:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Don’t cha just love how the multiple personalities of a single individual converge to babble the same BS? These folks reference researchers and funding agencies that I know. It is so funny. Next thing we know, they’ll be claiming all sorts of Tesla Generator breakthroughs or the motor that generates its own electricity to run indefinately. I’ve been dealing with scams all of my professional career. I see them every day working with “inventors” as I continually assess new technologies to explore and exploit for Uncle Sam. Laughable.


33 posted on 03/25/2013 3:25:02 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Wonder Warthog
LOL. Translation...."My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts". FYI, Beaudette's background is VERY similar to your own (engineering manager for a major high-tech company (EG&G)). One can hardly consider him a "scammer".

Funny how most of these cold fusion carnival barkers lack advanced degrees in chemistry or physics.

34 posted on 03/25/2013 3:29:59 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: fuente

I’ve been dealing with scams all of my professional career.
***Then do what I posted to you, go ahead, show us you are not a charlatan... Prove it. Make a call to the FBI to have LENR scientists rounded up. Write a protest to the Chinese Academy of Science because one of their scientists doesn’t know how to count. Send letters to the supervisors at NASA because 2 of their scientists are working in this field. Send a letter to the CEO of STMicro or even Scientific Instruments (who cite over 150 replications of the Anomalous Heat Effect). You won’t because you do not honestly believe this is a scam, and that is what makes you a charlatan.


35 posted on 03/25/2013 3:38:28 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Moonman62
“Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.”

DO NOT POST TO ME! (6)

36 posted on 03/25/2013 6:33:24 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
Keymo, you sound just like my liberal bully acquaintances. Why do care that people are idiots and why would the FBI care either? You get more funny the more you are challenged. Does you face get red too. Does that come with your “scientific cheerleader outfit”? The greatest scientific discovery of all time and the most significant power producing device since splitting the atom, yet...nothing. Oh you cheerleader and advocate. I guess your memory is lost in the same whole as Rossi’s “secret” finance/clients. Science is full of such crap. Ever hear of global cooling...the bell curve...the population bomb? How about bleeding the disease out? I guess someone should have “called the FBI” o those folks too. (roll eyes). You sir are a bully and a fringe advocate of something other than science. It is called Dogma wrapped in the faux-legitamicy of pseudoscience. We once called that alchemy. BTW, there were 1000s of papers written on that topic too. The same applies to many of the other scams I listed. Again, good day. BTW, your cheerleader skirt is showing your advocacy again. LOL!
37 posted on 03/25/2013 8:27:12 PM PDT by fuente
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Keymo, you sound just like my liberal bully acquaintances.
***And you sound like a typical skeptopath.

Why do care that people are idiots
***Good point. Just because you’re an idiot doesn’t mean I should care about you.

and why would the FBI care either?
***It shows that you are a charlatan. Simple as that.

You get more funny the more you are challenged. Does you face get red too. Does that come with your “scientific cheerleader outfit”?
***Dude, take a writing class. Your insults are as lame as a cat with crushed legs.

The greatest scientific discovery of all time and the most significant power producing device since splitting the atom, yet...nothing.
***Don’t forget, hot fusioneers have spent $hundreds of Billions and yet... nothing. No nuke cars, no household nuke plants, no fusion technology other than bombs that kill millions of people. The most energy generated has been 6MJ over a few milliseconds, whereas over the last 23 years the cold fusioneers have generated hundreds of MJ months at a time for a fraction of the cost.

Oh you cheerleader and advocate.
***You say yourself, it’s the greatest scientific discovery of all time.

I guess your memory is lost in the same whole as Rossi’s “secret” finance/clients.
***When was the last time I posted a positive article about Rossi? Months ago. But you skeptopaths persist in bringing him up. You are more endeared of him than I ever was.

Science is full of such crap. Ever hear of global cooling...the bell curve...the population bomb?
***Yup. And they all talk about the “consensus” of scientists, just like they do about the supposed “consensus” about LENR. Science isn’t about a consensus of opinion.

How about bleeding the disease out? I guess someone should have “called the FBI” o those folks too. (roll eyes).
***Again, take a writing class.

You sir are a bully and a fringe advocate of something other than science.
***Let’s say that were true, that Pons & Fleischmann were off by 4 orders of magnitude. Then their findings would have NEVER been replicated; instead, it’s been replicated more than 14,700 times. Is Scientific Instruments a “bully” company not engaging in science? How about Mitsubishi, and STMicro?

It is called Dogma wrapped in the faux-legitamicy of pseudoscience. We once called that alchemy.
***Yeah, right. Scientific Instruments is engaging in alchemy when they cite more than 150 replications.

BTW, there were 1000s of papers written on that topic too. The same applies to many of the other scams I listed.
***Dude... seriously... take a writing class.

Again, good day. BTW, your cheerleader skirt is showing your advocacy again. LOL!
***Lame insults. Lame writing. Lame reasoning. You’re just an all-aspect lame skeptopath.


38 posted on 03/25/2013 8:45:35 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: fuente

Yup the idea of ‘free energy’ just seems to be like dragging a t-bone in front of a pack of hungry hyenas. Somehow all logic and scientific sense just floats out the window. More’s the shame


39 posted on 03/26/2013 2:49:21 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Moonman62
Amazingly virtually all the critics here fail to have advanced degrees in mathematics or any experience with large scale statistical systems, or even using hundreds of thousands of load cells in a real environment.

Doesn't necessarily make them stupid or anything, but..... I guess that allows them to think they can get away with it out of ignorance.

40 posted on 04/07/2013 7:15:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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