How Nature refused to re-examine the 1989 CalTech experiment

LENR-CANR.org ^ | May 2012 | Jed Rothwell

[Kevmo]

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[Paladin2]

Cold Fusion rocks!

[Paladin2]

This is the closest I’m going to get to the un-metered electricity I was promised in the 50’s.

[coloradan]

P&F advocated open systems for calorimetry, which opens one up to evaporation. If the water evaporates away (or is electrolyzed away) then the thermal mass reduces, and a watt of heat would produce more temperature rise at the end of the experiment than at the beginning. This may not apply to Lewis’s system, but then again it might. It certainly applies to some of the P&F systems, because they advocated open systems.

[Nifster]

still waiting to see all those promised units working and producing.....what’s the current time frame???? (other than before the twelfth of never)

[Kevmo]

I agree. Too cheap to meter. But the ability to meter things has grown greatly in the meantime.

[Kevmo]

I will have to check on that. In the meantime, it seems very unlikely that 2 of the most prominent elecrochemists would have made mistakes that are basically 4 orders of magnitude incorrect. Have you ever heard of such a thing? I haven’t. When I was in engineering school, if you were off by 1 order of magnitude, you were wrong. It’s not quite believable that distinguished scientists would be off by 4 orders of magnitude. How do you account for that? How do you account for the fact that this effect has been replicated more than 14,000 times? If they were so far off by 4 orders of magnitude, surely it would have NEVER been replicated.

[Kevmo]

..what’s the current time frame???? (other than before the twelfth of never)
***The current time frame is about 200 years before the hot fusion boys ever produce something useful to engineering, and at about 1/1000th the cost.

[Wonder Warthog]

"P&F advocated open systems for calorimetry, which opens one up to evaporation. If the water evaporates away (or is electrolyzed away) then the thermal mass reduces, and a watt of heat would produce more temperature rise at the end of the experiment than at the beginning."

The P & F cells were re-filled daily. Your criticism thus does not apply. Other researchers replicated the P & F results with open cells, though not CalTech, MIT, and Harwell.

[fuente]

Silly Nifster. Didn’t you see that the experiements have been repeated 14,000 times, obviously producing 1.21Gigawatts. Flux capacitor to follow shortly.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Didn’t you see that the experiements have been repeated 14,000 times, obviously producing 1.21Gigawatts. Flux capacitor to follow shortly."

Read Beaudette's book yet, cigar-boy??

[Moonman62]

I agree. Too cheap to meter.

In the case of cold fusion, it's too miniscule and inconsistent to meter, or use to power anything.

[Moonman62]

***The current time frame is about 200 years before the hot fusion boys ever produce something useful to engineering, and at about 1/1000th the cost.

Hot fusion produces something very useful to engineering and national defense. There is no doubt that it is theoretically sound, and actually exists, unlike cold fusion.

[Moonman62]

Read Beaudette's book yet, cigar-boy??

Telling people to buy a book and calling names. You're really weak.

[ladyjane]

I’m still waiting to get my nuclear powered vacuum cleaner that Alexander Lewyt promised back in the 60’s.

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you account for the fact that this effect has been replicated more than 14,000 times?

Always funny.

[Kevmo]

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19

[Kevmo]

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19

[Wonder Warthog]

“Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.”

DO NOT POST TO ME! (5)

For you lurkers, you can get Beaudette's book (temporarily) free of charge through interlibrary loan. Or you can read excerpts from it on-line (and for free) at Steve Krivits "New Energy Times":

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/books/excessheat/AboutEH.shtml