Posted on 12/08/2012 7:39:00 PM PST by Morgana
FULL TITLE: Walmart security guard shoots 'shoplifting' mother dead in parking lot as she tries to escape with two young children
A 27-year-old mother of two has been fatally shot by an off-duty sheriff's deputy after he suspected her of shoplifting at a Houston Walmart.
Harris County Sheriff's deputies have said that victim Shelly Frey, Tisa Andrews and Yolanda Craig were stealing when they were confronted by Louis Campbell a 26-year veteran of the force who works as a security guard at the store.
According to Campbell the women ran to their car and when he rushed to open the door, they accelerated away - at which point he fired the deadly shot into the car which hit Frey in the neck.
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Security at the store on the 14000 block of the North Freeway had noticed the three women 'stuffing items inside their purses' and notified Campbell, who was working an extra job that evening.
Investigators with Harris County said the three women even attempted to pay for some small items to act as a cover for the shoplifted ones.
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Now, about a cop not being a cop ~ this is a deputy sheriff ~ in an urban county.
Yeah, he's a cop. Semantics don't change facts unless we are talking about direction.
Also means you're probably a newbie. Right there in the bottom line a post has a number which tells you what it is a response to.
So nobody is just hopping from thing to thing to thing, but there's some coherencyhere, and if you simply go back up the chain of what a poster has entered you can usually figure out what he is responding to.
So far, on your posts, the only thing I canfigure out is you wanted to say 'cr*p'
That's easily verified ~ Google.com has a count and that particular situation 'fake cop kills woman' shows up over 380 million times. That doesn't mean that many fake cops are out there, but doggone man, several of the lead stories were carried on the FOX local Houston tv news! this year!
The jury pool has already been tampered with ~ this driver is going to walk.
The (2 or 3) other women were arrested later ~ she wasn't arrested later since she was dead.
Note that Walmart has an elaborate security camera system ~ both for activities inside the store and for everything going on anywhere on the property outside. Whatever any of these people did while there ~ whether it's the women in the store, the driver outside, the cop ~ or whoever including any possible eye witnesses ~ it's all on a video system to die for eh!,
Since there's the high probability of the woman's accomplices/companions going on trial for participating in a crime that lead to the death of someone ~ her in this case ~ EVERYBODY with the slightest involvement in the case is going to eventually get involved in providing depositions to the courts ~ and that entire video system will be searched to find every last section of dots that reveals the presence of anyone who was involved ~ in any respect.
This won't be your usual retail larceny case. Those guys who put court sessions on TV ought to love this one ~ virtually all of the testimony can be backed up with a store video.
Even people who hate court TV will track this one.
The shoplifter was trying to run the officer over with her car.
“Ya.. who does he think he is? An officer of the law?”
Here’s the problem...
When this went down, he was NOT an officer of the law. That was his OTHER job. He was a Walmart employee who just happened to have a gun.
There was an alleged crime (probably not a felony) that his co-worker informed him of moments earlier, but that crime (if there was one), had already taken place so his actions could not have been to prevent it.
Leaving the scene of a crime is not in it’s self a crime.
So he’s just an average Joe with an attitude and a gun.
Walmart, as well as many other retailers have security folks that try to hold suspected shoplifters for the cops. They all have policies regarding the detention of suspects and none of them include using deadly force.
In this case:
#1. He was not preventing a crime In this case, just pointing a loaded gun into the car amounted to Felony endangerment of a child since children were reported to be in the car.
#2. Assuming he felt threatened by the driver of the vehicle, he could possibly argue self defense if he shot her to protect his life, but he didn’t shoot her - he shot one of the passengers. The fact that the victim had been accused of committing a crime earlier means nothing... She was not committing a crime when she was shot.
#3. How was it that he was being dragged by the car? Did the driver have a hold of him? It is much more likely that he had a hold of the car.
We had an incident in NY several years back where undercover cops shot into a car and killed people (not the driver) because they suspected illegal activity. They were convicted. Those cops were actually on duty cops, not cops moon-lighting working for Walmart.
I guess you guys would say that if he had killed one of the kids that that would have been justified too...
Then there's the stand your ground aspect ~ which only one poster got into at any length, and that involved the cop's rights to defend his employer's property ~ using deadly force!
That was rather complex and esoteric and maybe lawyers can argue it out ~ so it got dropped quite quickly.
The cop will eventually be interrogated in depth by some civil damages lawyers out to use Walmart as a deep pocket.
I am sure every single lawyer will ask him when he observed the children and did he aim his pistola at them, and for how long.
Again, that'll be in the civil cases ~ the criminal cases will take a different tack ~ initially against the women, I see a problem for the OTHER store security personnel if the video evidence doesn't back them up on their claim that these women paid for small purchases to cover the fact they were stealing other stuff and hiding it. That happens sometimes. The big criminal here, though, is the dead woman. She doesn't answer any questions; doesn't go to trial; her part in the crimes, if any, doesn't get brought to court, etc.
There's a judge somewhere who is personally distraught ~ he knows he shouldn't have let this woman go ~ she needed locked up. She's dead and half a dozen others have screwed up lives now due to his mistake.
Of course she wasn't going to stay out of Walmart! That place is a one stop stealing paradise ~ got steak, with your diamonds?
>> “Here’s the problem...
When this went down, he was NOT an officer of the law. That was his OTHER job. He was a Walmart employee who just happened to have a gun.” <<
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I want to assure you that your “problem” exists only within the tiny limits of your leftist victim cognition.
An officer of the law is sworn to uphold the law 24/7.
You are a below-average Joe with a scoff-law attitude and a hatred of people with guns.
“When this went down, he was NOT an officer of the law. That was his OTHER job. He was a Walmart employee who just happened to have a gun.”
He was an officer about to be run over by a bunch of thugs. Does not matter if he is on the clock or not he is still suppose to up hold the law.
Dude really, quit while you are ahead.
“There’s a judge somewhere who is personally distraught ~ he knows he shouldn’t have let this woman go ~ she needed locked up. She’s dead and NOW THE POLICE OFFICER WILL have screwed up lives now due to his mistake.”
There, fixed it for you!!!
“You might want to educate yourself on Texas Law, we don’t operate like you do in New York.”
Ain’t that the truth bro!!
> “What does “ru” mean?” <<
Hard to believe, isn’t it!
Taglines do come in handy.
There won’t likely be any suit, Texas has this one covered well. If there is one, it won’t last through the initial phase.
>>When this went down, he was NOT an officer of the law. That was his OTHER job. He was a Walmart employee who just happened to have a gun.
I’ll go out on a limb and say that you are not a lawyer, and you shouldn’t even attempt to play one on TV.
>> “First: Shoplifting is NOT a felony in most jurisdictions, it is a misdemeanor, of course depending on the amount involved” <<
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For those on probation, all crimes are felonies.
For those bagging more than $250, shoplifting is a felony, in this case the total bagged by all three, and for those working in groups, all crimes are felonies.
If you wanted to play Robinhood, you should have moved to Sherwood Forest.
I’m impressed with your ability to do mental gymnastics.
In one breath, you anguish over the possibility that the officer would hit someone he wasn’t aiming at.
In the very next breath, you complain that the officer shot a woman who wasn’t the driver, as if SHE was his target, and he could not but fail to hit his target.
So it would appear.
Fortunately the ability to double-down on stupid appears to be fully intact!
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