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1 posted on 07/25/2012 1:42:06 PM PDT by Signalman
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What ever happened to the troops Trump was supposed to have sent to Hawaii, to check Obama out?

Well the fact is it was BS on Trumps part.
I agree with Trump on this, but Trump isn’t to be trusted either IMO/


31 posted on 07/25/2012 3:25:13 PM PDT by Venturer
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The only thing I can think of that Obama would be so concerned about would be his place of birth listed on his college applications.

There is another problem. Even if Obama was born in the U.S., he may have a very serious legal problem if he gained Indonesian nationality as a child and then as an adult, such as when he was applying to college or travelling as an adult, held himself out as an Indonesian national.

If he DID do such an affirmative action such as renewing an Indonesian passport he got as a child or representing himself as an Indonesian national in submitting college applications or accepting financial aid, then he may well have LOST U.S. citizenship by virtue of that action under the laws of the United States as in effect circa 1980 (even if the State Department itself had no knowledge of that affirmative action).

To explain: Let's say Barack Obama became an Indonesian citizen at some point in connection with his mother's marriage to Lolo Soetoro and the family moving to and resettling in Indonesia.

Did that mean that at that time, as a young child, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship by virtue of becoming an Indonesian national? Probably not. U.S. courts at the time looked to whether the child was old enough to understand what he was doing in relinquishing U.S. citizenship. Barack was probably too young at the time for a court to hold that gaining Indonesian citizenship as a child meant he intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship.

However, once Barack became older, say 17 years old or older, he would have been responsible for HIS OWN ACTIONS that demonstrated an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. (See Section 1481(a) of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act and the cases interpreting that statute, prior to the 1986 legislative changes which loosened the standards.)

Under our law at the time, the answer is not given on the face of the statute -- one must examine the facts and circumstances surrounding each case and make a conclusion as to the intent looking at the situation as a whole.

An important fact relevant to this determination in the case of Obama is that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time.

Therefore, an action by Obama in holding himself out as an Indonesian citizen would mean that he would have chosen Indonesia over the United States. On the other hand, if Indonesia had allowed dual citizenship, and Obama had done something to demonstrate his preference to be an Indonesian citizen, there would be doubt -- maybe he intended to be both an Indonesian citizen and a U.S. citizen.

Because Indonesia was very clear that if someone was to be an Indonesian citizen they could NOT be a citizen of another country, then if Obama chose Indonesian nationality that is clear evidence he was thereby intending not to be a U.S. citizen.

What kind of action taken by Obama, after he was old enough to know what he was doing, would demonstrate that he wanted to be an Indonesian citizen and therefore no longer wanted to be a U.S. citizen and was relinquishing U.S. citizenship?

When Obama went to visit his mother in Indonesia, did he apply for an Indonesian passport or renew a passport he had from when he was younger? That would strongly indicate a desire to have sole allegiance to Indonesia and not the U.S., because he would have known that Indonesia did not countenance its passport-holders being nationals of another country. We don't know what he did.

What passport did he use to travel to Pakistan? What passport did he use to travel to Bali when he was supposedly working on his first book? We don't know what he did.

Did Obama hold himself out as an Indonesian citizen when he applied for college admission? Or in order to obtain financial support? We don't know what he did.

34 posted on 07/25/2012 4:09:52 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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cause the boy is dumb as a post... otherwise RATS would be touting his superior intelligence from the rooftops
35 posted on 07/25/2012 4:10:06 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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