"It's Marshall..they'll take anyone" ---We Are Marshall movie
Posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:17 AM PDT by Zakeet
Hope you don’t expect to change people’s minds with THAT argument. Terrible.
“I am no Penn State fan (and my alma mater, UNC, has troubles of its own with the NCAA), but I don’t see why the NCAA has jurisdiction in this particular case. I understand that football coaches are involved, but does this really involve the football program in any real way? Now, I believe Penn State is accontable for these terrible actions and failures to act. I just don’t believe that the NCAA is the right body to deal with it.”
I know the NCAA sure does when the players mess up, on or off the field. I know Marshall U. players have been in trouble with the NCAA often for doing crimes off campus. So why not the coaches? The coaches should hold a higher standard as well. This is as about as low as any coach could sink.
Switzer would have wrung Sandusky's neck.
I’m not saying you are equating the NCAA with the police but they are as as different as chalk and cheese. Too many people have it in their heads that the NCAA are some sort of Guardian Angels.
It will be interesting to see their endowment totals over the next couple of years. 2011: $1.83 billion
That's not true
"In 1998, the mother of a young boy designated by the grand jury as "Victim 6" became suspicious when her son and Sandusky showed up at her home with wet hair. The boy, according to the grand jury report, acknowledged that he had showered with Sandusky, prompting the mother to call Penn State University police.
In a later conversation with Sandusky — with two university detectives listening in — the coach allegedly admitted hugging the boy while both were naked in the shower, the grand jury reported. "I was wrong," Sandusky allegedly told the mother. "I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."
The case was referred to then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar, who declined to prosecute the case in 1998, the grand jury found.
Gricar's decision has not been explained. He has been missing since 2005 and has since been declared dead after authorities recovered his abandoned car and the prosecutor's computer, absent its hard drive.
State police spokesman Sgt. Anthony Manetta said there is no apparent link between the prosecutor's disappearance and the Sandusky
case.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-10/jerry-sandusky-investigation-victim-1-cover/51160950/1
and from a decent Christian man
“This is the thinly-disguised hatred of the football culture expressed by academic types who inhabit both the member institutions and the NCAA itself.”
Uh, you are right about academic types not being pro-football usually.
But this situation is so far hideous, that the usual academics don’t like football does not appply here.
Moreover, calling this action against PSU “the thinly-disguised hatred of the football culture expressed by academic types who inhabit both the member institutions and the NCAA itself.” really undermines the tough sanctions/response to a sickening years of abuse that , yes, in this case , was well within the “football culture”.
BTW....we don’t have innocent “football culture” now that it is big business.
we will be lucky to put football culture where it belongs.. alove of the game and sportsman rivalry!
I read the article from John Ziegler and it was more an attack on the media then the Freeh report. I found the Free report factual and unbiazed. Freeh actually admonished the Board of Trustees in his report.
The report paints the board as being alouf and out of touch. The board never even discussed Sandusky until the indictments were levied and then only briefly stating that it was not a school issue.
The Freeh report was not kind to Spanier or Curley making them equally culpable. Spanier and Curley were ready to go child welfare services until Paterno decided against it.
<>Switzer would have wrung Sandusky’s neck.<>
are you referring to this Switzer:
“Back when Barry Switzer was the coach of the Oklahoma Sooners, he had a Bill Clinton kind of reputation. I don’t know if it was deserved or not; I’m just telling you he did. Oklahoma goes out to play Stanford. The Stanford marching band is an independent bunch, nobody tells ‘em what to do. They did the halftime display. This is, I’m gonna guess here, in the seventies, eighties, whenever Switzer was — and this is not to embarrass Barry Switzer, this just happened, I’m just telling you. The Stanford marching band dedicated their halftime display to Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer who knows how to play hard and play around, is what the PA announcer said, and they formed male genitalia and they marched from end zone to end zone, Stanford band.”
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/10/what_happy_valley_knew_about_sandusky
It was PSU that sanctioned The Freeh Report, and agreed to bind to its’ findings.
The fact probably was a mitigating factor in their punishment.
"It's Marshall..they'll take anyone" ---We Are Marshall movie
What did Freeh have to say about DA Ray Gricar and his failure to prosecute???
Here’s another critique of the Freeh report:
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2012/07/red-flags-and-personal-fouls-dishonest.html
its reality...Your TEAM, business or sports wins...everyone benefits, if the “team “ screws up , everyone does NOT benefit and may suffer consequences. A priavet sector business gets busted for tax evasion or other issues, the business collpases , people lose jobs and the little town suffers.
If this was JUST about young people playing football in college, I bet the consequences would not be so severe and the young playors who are innocent would not be so penalized.
But college sports, football and basketball are BIG business..and nowadays young playors don’t just join a college team..like it or not they are also on a Big Business Team.
No, because it sends a message to other schools....don’t get caught up in hero worship. Thats exactly what happened at PSU. Paterno because untouchable, and therefore, this is the sort of thing that was allowed to go on.
Hopefully, it will make other programs take a long, hard look at themselves.
1) I never said it was innocent (whatever innocent means in this context).
2) It still doesn't change the fact that thousands of people are in hundreds of parking lots and stadiums every week. It is indisputably a culture.
we will be lucky to put football culture where it belongs.. alove of the game and sportsman rivalry!
HUH?!?!
This isn’t a criminal matter. There is no 4th amendment violation. The NCAA doesn’t hold trials. An investigation was done, and penalties are being doled out accordingly. Relax Matlock.
Now isn't that convenient. It isolates them from wrongdoing, doesn't it???
And is that the same Board that intervened when Paterno was going to speak to the press??? They weren't alouf and out of touch then. Were they afraid of what he was going to say.
The very thing he is accused of not doing when he does do it the Board tells him to shut up. And then pays someone $6 million who casts the blame his way.
Spanier and Curley were ready to go child welfare services until Paterno decided against it.
I find that to be bullsh#t. They were his superiors. Once passed on to them it was their decision.
Read the critiques of the Freeh report carefully. He never interviewed Spanier or Curley and still can't find the DA.
You can read the report here:
http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf
A D.P.W case worker and an assistant D.A. met with Sandusky and decided that no criminal behavior was established. Sandusky was told not to shower with children. Sandusky did admit to showering with children.
I found the Freeh report to be factual and unbiased unlike the critics of the report.
The report was actually much harder on the board and University than it was on Paterno. In fact the report even defended Paterno in some passages.
The report does not defend the actions of Spanier or Curley it just laid out the facts. Spanier and Curley should have gone to authorities. Paterno should have as well. Paterno decided against it and Spanier and Curley followed his advice. Cowards all.
Facts are stubborn things.
I have read your links, you should read mine.
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