Posted on 05/07/2012 11:58:05 AM PDT by Theoria
New world, sail, ping.
Vikings and Native Americans were first. Columbus was first recognized by the main stream media of the time. Ever heard of Erick the Red? Where did all the Viking settlements come form?
Humans have been able to follow coastlines in small boats for 40,000+ years and open ocean waters for at least 30,000 years this is well proven in not only the orient but also the Pacific indigenous groups. Europeans at the time were as technologically advanced or more so during the last ice age. The Pre-Clovis points are a dead match for what the Northern Spaniards were making and stone technology is passed from human to human each culture had unique points and tools that was passed on the the next generation.
Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America’s Clovis Culture
"Across Atlantic Ice: The Origin of America’s Clovis Culture. The book puts forward a compelling case for people from northern Spain traveling to America by boat, following the edge of a sea ice shelf that connected Europe and America during the last Ice Age, 14,000 to 25,000 years ago."
Vikings are the first that we know of but I suspect plenty of others came before.
There’s always the possibility of some group “finding” America’s East coast at earlier and earlier dates.
What I find interesting is the juxtaposition of the fading lions of capitalism, the Venetians, and the new crowd, the Tudors as established by the engine of capital, Henry the VII. In both the “City of Fortune, How Venice Ruled the Seas” and “The Winter King” a study on Henry the VII and the founding of the Tudor dynasty, the close 1490-1510 cooperation between the Venetians and the Tudors is detailed showing how close they were in that age in circumventing the Papal forces in the central Mediterranean and the Muslim control in the east.
I think we can go back to Henry the II almost 400 years earlier to see the beginnings of the Venice-Britain efforts and what they spawned. Columbus, of Genoavise extraction, shipped out of Portugal and Spain as the Genoa Republic competed with the Venetians. The Venetians and the Muslims tied up the Silk Road path from the east and prompted the eastern European nations to round the Horn of Africa and venture elsewhere for a way around that duo.
This article is another confirmation of the capitalistic connection of Venice and Britain leading to the modern era more so than the artistic Renaissance of Florence.
Exactly there was no Indigenous peoples of North or South America, the Pre-Clovis were here, the Siberians came, the Vikings, the Japanese specifically from Island of Hokkaido as proved with DNA studies. The "new world" saw wave after wave of humans from all sides of the planet coming to explore and live, the first cultural/ genocidal war is now though to have been fought between Siberian land bridge people and the Clovis Europeans of the east coast. The DNA is pretty conclusive the east coast Indians are no where near the same genetically as the central and west coast Indians of the America's let alone the southern and meso American ones. Humans made it to Australia 40,000 years ago across open ocean by boat, same for the Polynesian Islands. Humans have had the technology to get to the Americas for at least 30000 years, and the evidence is mounting that people got here not 15000 years ago more like 25k or 30k BCE in pre ice age times.
It is always a pleasure to see someone who knows history, My Great Grandmother was a Doria from Genova of the same Doria's that funded Columbus needless to say we celebrate Columbus day as a family holiday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_Sinclair,_Earl_of_Orkney
Time to brush the dust off the supposed voyage of Henry Sinclair and to look again at the medieval port of Bristol.
Columbus’ explorations can be counted as the beginning of regular trade, empire expansion and settlement of the Americas by Europeans. Not “discovery”. And as a navigator, he was lame. His belief that the world was round, was not controversial - it was the size he calculated the globe to be. According to his calculations, India should have been near Florida.
Columbus’ explorations can be counted as the beginning of regular trade, empire expansion and settlement of the Americas by Europeans. Not “discovery”. And as a navigator, he was lame. His belief that the world was round, was not controversial - it was the size he calculated the globe to be. According to his calculations, India should have been near Florida.
The more I read, the supposed isolation of the (early) middle ages evaporates except in the heart of what later becomes Spain, France and Germany where if you were near no remaining Roman road, you were relegated to forest path limitations. Sowell makes a good point in showing the natural development characteristics of Europe versus Africa by citing a statistic that goes something like, “75% of Europe is within 50 miles of a navigable river or sea.”
... as in "find the fountain of youth", "find Ecalibur" or "find the missing link". This is inductive reasoning, not knowledge. The banker's notation implies nothing. Even if they did know about the new land, why would they set out to "trovare" it? This appears to be stretching a point in a search for more grant money.
There were various medieval legends about explorations (such as by St. Brendan). Even if those didn't happen, people in the 1400s might have thought they were real and acted accordingly.
A couple of Genoese explorers sailed west in 1291 and were never heard from again--did they make it across the Atlantic and get eaten by Caribs? Did they founder somewhere mid-ocean? No one knows what happened to them.
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> A couple of Genoese explorers sailed west in 1291 and were never heard from again
Hey, pretty interesting:
Vandino and Ugolino Vivaldi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandino_and_Ugolino_Vivaldi
One of the islands is named Lanzarote after Malocello.
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