Posted on 02/19/2012 3:57:01 AM PST by Chance Hart
Not at all. I believe Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. Definitely under Indonesian law, and possibly under Hawaiian law as well. (States will not tell you anything about adopted children.)
I think the 1971 adoption by his grandparents (When Barack Obama Sr. *AND* Stanley Ann just happened to fly into Hawaii during the same time period) was an effort to undo the mess created by Stanley Ann running off to Indonesia where their grandson was picked on.
The evidence appears to indicate Obama was adopted TWICE! First by Lolo Soetoro, and secondly by his Grandparents.
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Barry Soetoro, Stanley Soetoro, and Barack Obama Sr. (On "Family business") at the Airport in 1971. Thereafter Barry stayed with his grandparents. (You tell me what likely happened.)
I guess you missed the part where Roger Calero was on the Ballot in New Jersey and New York for the Presidency despite the fact that he was born in Nicaragua to Nicaraguan parents?
http://www.ourcampaigns.com/CandidateDetail.html?CandidateID=50998
They let an actual FOREIGNER on the ballot, and you think they are CHECKING anyone's credentials?
Again, you are using the fallacy of "argumentum ad populum". What you don't get, is just because everyone thinks a certain way, does not mean they are CORRECT.
I want to err on the side of the law.
You are wrong on the NBC = two citizen parents. The courts will reject your argument.
There are many respected conservative legal scholars and judges that think Roe v Wade is bad law. Some of them sit on the Supreme Court. There is a mountain of published legal thought on the controversy.
There are absolutely no respected conservative legal scholars and judges that accept the NBC = two citizen parents. We know what the Supreme Court feels about the issue - the Chief Justice swore in Obama. There is no published legal thought on the matter (beyond birther websites).
Criticism of Rove v Wade is well within the mainstream of American legal thought. WKA is the only operative law on NBC within the mainstream of American legal thought - there is no controversy.
In the legal system, some opinions count more than others. When it comes to NBC the opinions that count are not on your side. They would be on your side for Roe v Wade but not WKA.
Everyone knew he was ineligible - the SWP has a long history of running entire tickets that were ineligible. And not just New York.
“Since they weren’t going to be elected anyways, the Socialist Workers Party didn’t care that they nominated a ticket entirely ineligible to be elected. Why? Because Róger Calero is both foreign born and also not a US citizen; and Arrin Hawkins is too young. To avoid ballot access problems for the SWP, as the constitutional ineligibility may also render them unable to be listed on the ballot in some states, the 2000 SWP ticket of James Harris for President and Margaret Trowe for Vice President are being used in states that will not permit the Calero-Hawkins slate to be listed. It is not the first time the SWP pulled this stunt. In 1972, the SWP nominated a Presidential candidate — Linda Jenness — who was also too young to qualify for the office (so the party used a replacement nominee in some states to achieve ballot status). They regularly do likewise in US Senate and Congressional races by nominating candidates too young to be eligible to serve. “
http://web.archive.org/web/20070730141140/http://www.politics1.com/swp04.htm
Some states don’t appear to have eligibility requirements to get on a ballot, some do. They still would not be able to actually take office if they won.
Thanks, but I should be good. :)
No you don't. You want all the hodgepodge of law that has occurred subsequent to 1787 to alter and/or obfuscate the correct meaning of a constitutional term.
You are wrong on the NBC = two citizen parents. The courts will reject your argument.
And now I am beginning to think you are stupid. Again! With that non sequitur!
Let me make this very clear for you. I do not give a D@MN what a Court says about this issue, ESPECIALLY one that has not looked at the evidence. *YOU* may need a minder to tell you what to think, but the rest of us are intelligent enough to research this ourselves and find out what the founders meant.
They most certainly did not mean to allow anchor babies.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of our justice system that I can’t help you with. That “hodgepodge of law” is the American Common Law. Whether you give a damn what a court believes is irrelevant - that is our system of justice and it is not going to change because of your pet peeve.
The present definition of NBC is the same as it was in 1787. NBS=NBC=born on US soil.
You disagree - I got it.
History is always a good predictor of the future when the facts being argued don’t change.
Every birther case in every court has failed. Every one, every time. All the way from a Georgia administrative hearing to the Supreme Court.
Now what’s different now? Nothing’s changed. Same argument by the birthers - same grounds for rejection by the courts.
Of course it is an opinion. But an informed one.
Just like you've seen this, or something similar, many, many times.
He goes the extra mile and throws in a little degradation to your intellect for good effect.
You think people aren't smart enough, or knowledgeable enough, to recognize what you're actually doing.
Think "they're subhuman" as "the facts" being argued.
Shall we go back through both of your posts and pick out the straight out insults thrown at me? “Stupid”, “snake” and “liar” for starters?
If you don’t like the tone of the discussion then clean up your own act.
You are so unhinged you can’t even recognize your own hypocrisy.
I also didn’t deny that I was still beating my wife.
You are so unhinged you cant even recognize your own hypocrisy.
You've got it so ingrained in you that you can't even stop what you do even when you're called on it.
Think “idiotic” as “the analogy” being made.
That’s one of your more incoherent posts - a jump from the workings of the American justice system to genocide. Wow.
You’ve got it so ingrained in you that you can’t even stop what you do even when you’re called on it.
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