ATTENTION PREPPERS - Having More Than 7 Days Of Food Makes You A Suspected Terrorist

YouTube/FoxNews ^ | 11/29/11

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

At 0:27, Senator Rand Paul says “Someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist”.

Well, that cuts it - we can't nominate Mitt Romney for POTUS, then.

He's a Mormon, and Mormons are, as I understand it, instructed to always keep a year's supply of food in reserve . . .

[PROTESTBYPROXY]

Do it like me. I have for cows on the hoof! 17 chickens, and plenty of garden space!

[snowrip]

The bill that they are talking about excludes American citizens; it has its own section which specifically states this in plain English.

Also, how do you get the “7 days of food makes you a terrorist” thing?

[Kartographer]

Did you read the post? Rand Paul himself says: “Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American. In fact, this alarming arbitrary power is reminiscent of Egypt’s “permanent” Emergency Law authorizing preventive indefinite detention, a law that provoked ordinary Egyptians to tear their country apart last spring and risk their lives to fight.”

I do believe the Senator from Kentucky does know what he is talking about.

[Indy Pendance]

Be very careful who you let know you’re prepping. Only my prepper kids and us discuss our plans.

[snowrip]

Did you read the bill?

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE. (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war. (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows: (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following: (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force. (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)). (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction. (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity. (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force. (e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons' for purposes of subsection (b)(2). SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY. (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War- (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war. (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–– (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033. (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States. (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens- (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

Your posts on prepping are invaluable. Do not pollute them with inflationary rhetoric, no matter who it is from.

[maine-iac7]

and best to learn how to preserve, can, dry foods yourself - rather than buy the more expensive prepared storage foods - you can bet the gov’t is or will get a list of who buys what.

And be careful who you let know you have emergency rations - unless you're prepared to ‘’share’ with them when they descend upon you.

Have supplies where they won't be easily found by the block wardens and SWAT-ers when they randomly raid, looking for ‘looters’ - which is now their legal label for anyone with more than 7 days of food on hand.

Good gravy, I only shop every two weeks - I'm a looter.

I grew up on a farm in the 30-40’s - we always had a YEARS worth of food on hand...in the gardens, the cellars. the barn, the hen house, etc.

Better have a safe place for storage....

[maine-iac7]

I’ve seen the written law - it’s all there - Can’t remember the title - but someone here might.

but believe me, you have more than a weeks worth of food - you are NOT a storer - you ARE a looter...subject to arrest.

[Smokin' Joe]

Considering that when I go out to work a well I take a minimum of 30 days’ food, especially in winter, I think the people who cooked up this bloody crock are full of the eventual byproduct of all that food.

[Smokin' Joe]

Whoa, waitaminute.

Wasn't it the Government who ordered over 250,000,000 freeze dried meals? So many that ordinary distribution of Mountain House products to the 'regular folks' were disrupted?

So, who's the terrorists?

[maine-iac7]

I hope this does not pass. It is not Constitutional.

Hate to break it to ya - but if they declare and emergency or Martial Law - it's already provided for.

[Smokin' Joe]

And missing fingers refers to a telltale signs of a producer of alternate explosives that are not used in any other manner than by people of intended harm to others.

I have met quite a few people who are missing one or more fingers in my career in the oil patch. Some lost them to a spinning chain, others to the wide variety of heavy objects we work with daily out there.

Farm equipment is another common finger eater.

It isn't the only profession where lost digits are an occupational hazard, although the safety record has improved over the last three decades.

No explosives necessary.

[Smokin' Joe]

“Do you have a gun in your home?”

No, not one gun. (Parse it like Clinton, and it's the truth.)

[Smokin' Joe]

Another point that people need to keep in mind - it’s easier to feed your neighbors than it is to fight them. You should keep a couple of buckets of beans & rice to give out a cupful at a time for people who come begging.

Worth repeating. The bit of goodwill, especially from those with little kids could be valuable in the future.

The downside is that it won't be long before marauders are sending out scouts in just that fashion to see who has 'extra'.

[cherry]

another good reason NOT to use credit or those store cards.....

[crazyhorse691]

I pointed out a fact of explosive makers in the Middle East and I end up getting multiple posts slamming me about all the other ways that fingers can fall off. I have just about had it with all the DU frickin emoting posters found on FR that are going to kill this site off.

[Smokin' Joe]

You did not make it clear that you were referring to middle easterners. The crux of the fricking thread was the application of the "terrorist" label to AMERICAN CITIZENS, AKA "preppers".

Sorry pal, but we aren't mind readers. Now go have your sh*tf*t and calm down, willya?

And you can stuff your DU where the sun doesn't shine, nOOb.

[PA Engineer]

I think we are on the same side. What do you think?

[Smokin' Joe]

Same side of what?

First, no "multiple posts", and a reply only to me.

Second, no mention of the Middle East.

Third, "alternate explosives" might be a kid dinking with a homemade firecracker when I grew up.

Fourth, the thread is about defining Americans as "domestic terrorists", something this stinking administration has been trying to do from day one, now just for having groceries in the cupboards.

Fifth, there are lots of ways to become digitless, and I just named a couple which affect people near and dear to me, because I work in the oil industry (maybe that's a two-fer for being a "terrorist" with this administration).

Top that off with some raving about "DU emoting" and I have had enough.

That's what I think.

[PA Engineer]

Second, no mention of the Middle East.

Third, "alternate explosives" might be a kid dinking with a homemade firecracker when I grew up.

Fourth, the thread is about defining Americans as "domestic terrorists", something this stinking administration has been trying to do from day one, now just for having groceries in the cupboards.

Fifth, there are lots of ways to become digitless, and I just named a couple which affect people near and dear to me, because I work in the oil industry (maybe that's a two-fer for being a "terrorist" with this administration).

I'm with you on all these points. I'm just saying we are on the same side with this. Really. I am also in that industry. Sort of. Marcellus (energy de jour). A prepper for over 12 years. I replied to you because I respect you. No offense.