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Coroner Says Amy Winehouse Died From Alcohol Poisoning
CBS) ^ | October 26, 2011 7:00 AM

Posted on 10/26/2011 8:56:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: fortheDeclaration

Then the alcohol dehydrogenase breaks it down.

“Shouldn’t be in the body”? Science doesn’t deal in “shoulds.” However, it is normal, healthy, and natural for moderate levels of alcohol to be in the body. If science did deal with shoulds, I’d suggest “shouldn’t” would be unusual, unhealthy or unnatural.


41 posted on 10/26/2011 8:09:52 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Mr. Bird
I think it would be more informative to know the actual BAC rather than a value relative to the arbitrary drunk driving standard.

A writer writes to his audience. In this case, the BAC as it relates to a legal limit is perfect for an audience of laymen. The actual BAC, which from the article I gather was around .32-.4. Without a frame of reference, the numbers are meaningless to most people. The legal limit to drive provides that reference.

Let's face it, few laymen could tell you that a BAC of 0.1 is one gram of alcohol per kilogram of blood? How many could tell you that 1 gram of alcohol per kilogram of blood is drunk?

Now you might argue that there is a better frame of reference than the legal limit to drive, but there has to be a frame of reference unless the medical community happens to be your audience.

42 posted on 10/26/2011 8:15:00 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: fortheDeclaration

And yes, loads of “scientists” talk in terms of “shouldn’t” all the time, but they’re hack propagandists if they do.


43 posted on 10/26/2011 8:27:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

It breaks it down in the body as something dangerous to the body, not helpful.


44 posted on 10/27/2011 12:02:31 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Mr. Bird
I really don't care about the particulars, but this is horrible reporting. The US does not have a national BAC standard.

It has 50 state standards, but it just so happens that they are all .08%.

Additionally, I continue to be annoyed by the reference to drunk-driving standards when driving is not the activity in which the person is engaging.

I'm annoyed by phrasings like "five times the legal limit," when there is no such limit that applies. But in this case, it's correctly expressed, and it's a useful benchmark, even if it's not strictly relevant. To say that someone is over the drunk-driving line doesn't indicate knee-walking drunk, but five times does pretty much drive (ahem) the point home.

45 posted on 10/27/2011 12:21:08 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: GOP Poet
Thank you for sharing this. So, so true. Congratulations on your sobriety time. May we all do it one day, one hour, one minute at a time until our natural death arrives.

I feel that even the worst of us can serve as a "bad example". I don't count days, hours, or minutes for the same reason I don't attend meetings. I find the constant concentration on alcohol to be counterproductive. Sitting in a meeting with a bunch of more or less successful ex-drunks, talking about not drinking keeps the focus on drinking. Another facet of meetings I find less than ideal is the tacit assumption that you will fail at some time and need the group to tell you it's all right because we all will fail. I don't accept that and find it more then a little bit annoying. Meetings work for some people, and that's fine, it's just that I'm not one of those people.

Regards,
GtG

46 posted on 10/27/2011 9:53:59 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

No, it’s metabolized thoroughly, to H20, CO2, and AMP->ATP. Just like a carbohydrate. Like anything, including carbohydrates, the intermediate compounds can be deadly in too high of a concentration, but the overall health effects of light drinking are unquestionably beneficial.


47 posted on 10/27/2011 1:35:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
There are no benefits of 'light drinking'.

What benefit the body derives benefit from are the byproducts of the foodstuff the liquor is made from.

There is no benefit from the alcohol (fermentation) itself.

You can get the same benefits from non-fermentated wine.

48 posted on 10/27/2011 2:37:14 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: fortheDeclaration

You evidently don’t know what you are talking about. Are you some sort of temperance-minded paleo-Presbyterian who has a moral chip against alcohol, in spite of the fact that Jesus and the apostles, and pretty much every soul in Israel drank it? (Grape Juice was invented by a Presbyterian minister’s son, Dr. Welch, who found a way of preventing the juice of smashed grapes from fermenting spontaneously.)

Alcohol, regardless of the foodstuff it is derived from, has been show to reduce the incidence of diabetes, dementia, strokes, arthritis, enlarged prostrate and several cancers. My personal estimation is that it helps fight depression, but that researchers don’t make that link because it’s hard to tell if the only reason that they’re drinking moderately is because they’re not depressed.


49 posted on 10/28/2011 8:33:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
The article I linked to you clearly stated that alcohol has no benefits for the body and the body acts quickly to eliminate it as a foreign and dangerous object.

It is probably the drug that has caused more deaths and ruined more lives then all other drugs combined.

What is amazing is how people still look for ways to justify it and defend it as a 'benefit'.

Every health benefit claimed for it, can be derived from non-ferminated liquor.

50 posted on 10/28/2011 2:52:33 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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