Posted on 10/05/2011 9:35:01 PM PDT by dangus
Just a friendly reminder that you have been on FreeRepublic making up quotes out of thin air and attributing them to Rick Perry. It's not as easy to pull stunts like that these days. I'm sure you know this, which is why I'm dumbfounded as to why you attempt it. We can search this stuff. You do realize this, don't you?
Thanks. I hoped we would be done with these kinds of attacks now that Palin has said she’s not running.
Texas abolished bi-lingual education in grades 9 - 12 years ago and restricts it in all grades below grade 9. I was a Texas school administrator when the changes hit and they really made the liberals, LULAC et al scream. All textbooks used in Texas schools are supplied through American publishers after approval by the State Board of Education. The Board approves more than one textbook in every subject area and then local districts choose the one they want through a committee made up of parents, teachers and community members.
The in-state tuition bill was passed by a Republican dominated legislature. Something like 81 Republicans in the House voted for it. The Texas Governor has almost no direct control over legislative matters during regular sessions. The Speaker controls all House affairs including the calendar, committee assignments and floor agendas. The Lt. Governor has even more control in the Senate since he determines what bills even see the floor. The constitution gives the governor broad veto powers by specifying no time frame for him to sign bills. So in Texas the governor waits until the legislature adjourns, signs the bills he wants and automatically vetoes the rest.
Building the “border fence” is a federal responsibilty. If you have cable, please watch “Border Wars” on national Geographic so you can illuminate your ignorance. Texas deploys the Texas Rangers all across the border in helicopters, boats, SUVs and even on horseback. Their deployment is a para-military deployment.
Who’s misinformed? 4 of your refutations are flat-out wrong, and the 5th is a lame mangling of logic.
>> That’s funny, b/c the Hispanics here in DFW are taught in English. My good friend teaches ESL here, which teaches english to foreign students. Therefore that point is completely false. <<
66% of Hispanic Texans elementary students are in bilingual education; only 8% are in ESL. Among other language minorities, ESL is normal. Read here: http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2009-09-RR01-bilingual-rossell.pdf
>> Cite me the federal law that Perry violated. I’m real curious as to what you come up with here. <<
Immigration Reform Act of 1996.
>> But, to get to your tuition accusation, cite me one single American resident of Texas, who meets Texas’ requirements for in-state tuition, who was denied in-state tuition b/c of an illegal. You can’t. <<
I didn’t say they were from Texas. The federal law Perry flouts forbids “in-state tuition rate benefits.”
>> Cite me how Perry has stopped the federal government from building a border fence? <<
Supporting eminent domain lawsuits.
>> For starters, in the point above you just called for a massive eminent domain action against Texas property owners, but not you’re bitching b/c eminent domain would probably be used to build roads. <<
I’m pointing out that RICK PERRY is trying to have it both ways, being a champion of preventing eminent domain when it’s a border wall which is vital to our national interests, and there is a federal law expressly mandating it, then using eminent domain for a far larger project to enrich his Mexican puppet-masters.
>> And nobody is stopping businesses from using E-verify. If the program is so popular, then there shouldn’t be any issue with businesses voluntarily using it. <<
Actually, businesses all over Texas are using it. But the Texas government won’t.
Oh, OK. So because other Republicans supported it (unlike the Gardasil pay-off), that makes it good policy.
You seem to have an obsession going here. Your claims are non-factual so now you switch to Gardasil. Next you’ll be talking about painted rocks and hunting leases. Did Perry not appoint you or some kin to a state job?
Well, considering that a state governor cannot actually deport illegals and you have an uncooperative federal government, who has told the states they cannot deny them basic needs, there aren’t a lot of options.
Unless you are willing to build and support city size prisons.
I just re-read your in-state tuition screed. To qualify for in-state tuition rates one must live in-state, so I’m not sure how your argument applies. Second, if a person is born in the US, that person is a citizen no matter when or how the parents got here. Neither you nor I agree with that, but it is the current case law. So how could Texas refuse in-state tution to a US citizen of one ethnicity (Hispanic / Mexican) while granting it to another (Anglo)? Can you name any sane lawyer who would want to defend that?
Finally, since there is no state statute empowering any public education institution to verify citizenship (see earlier comment on who controls the Texas legislature), any school that would attempt such verifications would be acting outside of the law - another indefensible position regardless of how admirable it might be to some.
The Texas textbook adoption process is governed by state law and is very serious business since Texas is such a huge customer to the publishers. In fact, Texas controls what gets published, not the other way around. That’s what had the libs and MSM so upset about the Intelligent Design input into the science curriculum. People can “offer” textbooks all they want. But the books better come from a major publisher. So “Mexican” textbooks are not used in Texas public schools. I would appreciate knowing the context in which the mother read the poem at the school board meeting during “public comment” time. Which district? Which meeting? What agenda item was she addressing? Now, about the “illegal” votes you say Perry bought: he does not need them. You can hate Rick Perry all you want, I don’t care. All I ask is that your hate have some basis in fact.
>> I just re-read your in-state tuition screed. To qualify for in-state tuition rates one must live in-state, so I’m not sure how your argument applies <<
THAT’S THE POINT!!! If you are from Mexico, you go to Texas universities for greatly reduced rates. If you are from Oklahoma, screw you. In-state tuition rates should not be offered to illegal aliens!!!
“If you are from Mexico...”
They are “from” Texas. You have to establish 3 years of residency to qualify. A person from Oklahoma only has to establish 1 year of residency to qualify.
Each state should get to decide who gets in-state tuition.
Are you a deport them all guy?
You said Perry forbids hispanics from being taught in English. I showed you otherwise. You were wrong. You have admitted in your own post that they are taught in english.
Immigration Reform Act of 1996.
If you feel that Texas does not have the right to set its residency requirements for in-state tuition, then I suggest you file suit. Reading that pretty ambigious wording, I would hold that Texas is not breaking any law.
I’m pointing out that RICK PERRY is trying to have it both ways, being a champion of preventing eminent domain when it’s a border wall which is vital to our national interests, and there is a federal law expressly mandating it, then using eminent domain for a far larger project to enrich his Mexican puppet-masters.
Perry was dealing with roads within the State of Texas. Building 20,000 miles of wall is a federal issue. It's not going to happen. Putting a nonstop wall from Brownsville to Tijuana isn't going to happen either. Any candidate who claims they'll do it is blowing smoke up your ass. However, back to your claim, you stated that Perry would forbid Americans from driving on the tollway. That is false. Again, you're bitching about eminent domain within Texas, then calling for eminent along the border. I must ask you. Do you want all 20,000 miles of border covered, or is it you just don't want Mexicans coming here?. Do you want to wall off Alaska and northern America from the Candians and Iranians who can travel there? Do you want to wall off Hawaii from the Japanese? Do you want to wall off Florida from the Cubans?
Actually, businesses all over Texas are using it. But the Texas government won’t.
I would suggest you convince your Texas Representative and Senator to change the law, if you think that the State of Texas should use it. If you don't want to go that route, I would suggest you get the issue on the ballot to change the Texas Constitution.
You don't have a grasp on in-state tuition requirements in Texas, nor reciprocity agreements that states choose or not choose to participate in.
You don't get instate tuition rates just from being from Mexico. If you don't live here, you're not getting instate tuition rates, regardless of where you're from. If somebody is born in Mexico and moves to California, that student will not get instate tuition rates in Texas. You don't get instate tuition rates by just moving here. If your state is not part of a reciprocity agreement with Texas, then you must live in Texas and pay taxes here for X amount of time. If you're an illegal, you must reside here 3 years prior to graduating high school. At that point, you get in-state tuition rates, since you have been paying into the system.
Since you wanted to cite a resident of Oklahoma as not getting instate tuition, their state schools have chosen not to participate in reciprocity agreements with Texas. That doesn't stop a student of Oklahoma from getting instate tuition in Oklahoma. That student (and his family/guardian) have not been domiciled in Texas, therefore they won't get tuition. If they move down here and pay into the system, they will get instate tuition.
>> I just re-read your in-state tuition screed. To qualify for in-state tuition rates one must live in-state, so I’m not sure how your argument applies <<
Like hell you did. You made an unsubstantiated claim; I answered with an official government report.
>> If you feel that Texas does not have the right to set its residency requirements for in-state tuition, then I suggest you file suit. <<
Unfortunately, that’s up to the Obama administration and the Bush administration before them. Private citizens lack standing.
>> Perry was dealing with roads within the State of Texas. <<
Actually, no. He was using Texas to provide access to middle America. Texans weren’t going to be allowed to use the highway.
>> Building 20,000 miles of wall is a federal issue. It’s not going to happen. <<
20,000 miles of wall? Interesting to see your geography knowledge is as utterly lacking as your common sense, legal understanding, logic and political knowledge. LOL! 20,000 miles of wall is not going to happen; that’s for sure! Hey, by the way, a coyote freeway is also a federal issue.
>> Again, you’re bitching about eminent domain within Texas, then calling for eminent along the border. <<
I’m pointing out Perry’s contradiction. But yes, protecting our borders from hostile invasion is a legitimate function; building a highway to make it easier for coyotes and coke dealers is not.
>> Do you want all 20,000 miles of border covered, or is it you just don’t want Mexicans coming here?. Do you want to wall off Alaska and northern America from the Candians and Iranians who can travel there? Do you want to wall off Hawaii from the Japanese? Do you want to wall off Florida from the Cubans? <<
When we get 20 million Canadians pouring over the border, I might consider the wisdom of a Northern wall. Until then, you’re an idiot.
>> Each state should get to decide who gets in-state tuition. <<
Even buying your premise, you’re only arguing that Perry has the right to betray America; it still is an abomination that utterly disqualifies him from consideration for any office, and exposes him as the un-American traitor that he is.
>> Are you a deport them all guy? <<
No. I support E-Verify, no-match letters, 487(g) programs, and cutting them off from benefits. When they can’t take jobs away from Americans, or get money from our taxpayers, they’ll go home on their own. And that’s the point: Perry feeds into Obama’s absolutely assinine foolishness that if we don’t deport them all, we’re obliged to give them welfare, tuition breaks, work visas, etc.
But so you know, I have nothing against deportation as a means of border enforcement.
Looks like somebody's a bit upset that they got called out on their false claims.
Let's review them, shall we?
1. You said Perry forbids Hispanics from being taught in English. That's false.
2. You said Perry is stopping the federal government from building a wall. That's false.
3. You said under the TTC plan, that Americans would be blocked from driving on it. That's false.
4. You said you get instate tuition in Texas if you're born in Mexico, but you don't get it if you're born in Oklahoma. That's false.
5. You heavily insinuated that America doesn't have 20,000 miles of border. If you wall off America, it would be roughly 20,000 miles.
You can name call me all you want. It doesn't change the fact that what you're spewing on here is utterly false.
>> You don’t get instate tuition rates just from being from Mexico. <<
Great! Let’s say someone actually established that his illegal alien parents WERE living in Texas for three years. Well, now we know where they live, let’s deport them... after we charge them for all the benefits they received from OUR public school system.
Wait, you and Perry weren’t planning on aiding and abetting illegal immigration by knowingly harboring criminals who broke our laws to enter, with mens rhea, were you? I mean, here you have the official documentation to prove their illegal acts, and someone to witness against them, that he was dragged to America against his will by invaders breaking our immigration laws.
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