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Microsoft explains Windows 8 boot to quell Linux fears
ZDNet UK ^ | 09/23/2011 | Ben Woods

Posted on 09/23/2011 10:00:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Channeling Locke
Regardless, it prevents users from enjoying the control over the hardware that they bought. For example, say a user wants to stay with Microsoft OSes and wants to buy and install Windows 9 when it comes out. If the user is locked out from installing new OSes with this new "protection", he won't be able to do so. Rather, he will have to buy a new machine with Windows 9 preinstalled.

I doubt that MS would not include a mechanism in Win8 to allow future releases to be installed. What WOULD happen, however, is if you decided that Win8 sucked and wanted to go back to Win7 or XP, you are screwed.

21 posted on 09/23/2011 12:17:03 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: bridgemanusa; cynwoody
hmm.. the way I read it is that it is a hardware vendor’s choice on how to implement firmware for the final product.

Riiiiight. And M$ is *not* noted for bending the arm of hardware manufacturers... /s

22 posted on 09/23/2011 12:22:05 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Win 8 is NOT out yet

I plan to install Win8 Developer Preview release this weekend ... assuming I can free up a PC. Win8 Dev is available to everyone who wants it.

23 posted on 09/23/2011 12:26:29 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: Channeling Locke

Well then.. couldn’t “grandma” just “roll her own”?

:-)


24 posted on 09/23/2011 12:32:10 PM PDT by bridgemanusa (loan MA Conservative)
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To: roamer_1
the 'Metro" interface (like anything 'metro') SUCKS.

I disagree completely. My Windows Phone 7 interface is fast, uncluttered, and intuitive. I (and my son) prefer the UI to on my WP7 phone over his iPhone's IOS interface. My wife is looking forward to upgrading from her Blackberry to a WP7 phone next year. My son is stuck with his iPhone a bit longer.

More Metro goodness on the way: WP7.5 "Mango" revision is due out in 2 weeks.

Also, if you really don't like the Metro UI, you'll need to scrap your Xbox360 and Live as that is moving to a Metro-like UI this Fall.

However, on a laptop running Win8, you don't actually have to use the Metro UI. You have the option of switching to the more traditional "Win7-looking" (explorer) interface.

25 posted on 09/23/2011 12:43:29 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: Channeling Locke
But Bill is just looking to make sure you have a wonderful "Microsoft Experience".

He doesn't want your perfect experience to be threatened by viruses and worms such as Linux. /sarc

26 posted on 09/23/2011 3:38:09 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: DesertSapper
[roamer_1:] the 'Metro" interface (like anything 'metro') SUCKS.

I disagree completely.

OMG, My first Metro fanboi.

My Windows Phone 7 interface is fast, uncluttered, and intuitive. I (and my son) prefer the UI to on my WP7 phone over his iPhone's IOS interface. My wife is looking forward to upgrading from her Blackberry to a WP7 phone next year. My son is stuck with his iPhone a bit longer.

Hint: It's a friggin phone.

More Metro goodness on the way: WP7.5 "Mango" revision is due out in 2 weeks.

Wheeee!

Also, if you really don't like the Metro UI, you'll need to scrap your Xbox360 and Live as that is moving to a Metro-like UI this Fall.

I wouldn't own a game station if it was given to me. But hint: More than the friggin phone, it's a friggin game station.

However, on a laptop running Win8, you don't actually have to use the Metro UI. You have the option of switching to the more traditional "Win7-looking" (explorer) interface.

I know that. But the intention is telegraphed - like the Program Manager, once upon a time, the Desktop is on the way out - And we are left with a glorified, overly simplified phone interface. I PUT UP WITH my phone's interface, because it is functional without a mouse and keyboard. In no way do I DESIRE that interface. The same goes for my tablet - And both of those platforms (and the game station too), while handy, are very limited in their scope BECAUSE of portability and each their basic nature...

The computer, be it laptop or desktop, does not have a basic nature, and I can guarantee that anyone who uses their computer seriously will not be happy with 'Metro', a simplistic (I am being polite, as I mean retarded) and basically useless interface.

27 posted on 09/23/2011 4:29:05 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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OMG, My first Metro fanboi.

L337 spelling rulz. U r teh bomb Metro hateboi.

Hint: It's a friggin phone.

Actually, it's a LOT more than a phone. It is now my primary still camera (yes, 5mp is enough for me for now), my only video camera, personal and car music player, GPS navigation device, voice recorder, calendar, and contacts list. I can (but rarely) stream Netflix on it and play occasional chess/logic/puzzle games on it.

But hint: More than the friggin phone, it's a friggin game station.

Most would call it a game 'console' but 'station' works too. Akin to my WP7 phone's multifunction capabilities, my 360 is a LOT more than a game 'station'. It is my primary DVD player, Netflix streaming device, and my wife occasionally uses it as a Media Extender to play our MP3s through the TV connected sound system.

I can guarantee that anyone who uses their computer seriously will not be happy with 'Metro', a simplistic (I am being polite, as I mean retarded) and basically useless interface.

Can I get that guarantee in writing please? By 'computer' I assume you mean a traditional desktop or laptop. Neither of these are the main target for the Metro UI as that is touch-oriented. As for "useless", probably a true statement for most traditional PCs as they don't have capacitive touch screens. Tablet and hybrid laptop-tablet users will accept and probably love the Metro UI.

But what would I know? I'm just an IT guy by trade - I know nothing about GUIs or those new-fangled computer thinggies. Seriously, it's up to the user ... like it; use it - hate it; don't.

28 posted on 09/23/2011 5:44:32 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: DesertSapper
L337 spelling rulz. U r teh bomb Metro hateboi.

LOL!

Actually, it's a LOT more than a phone. [...]

meh. It's a phone.

Akin to my WP7 phone's multifunction capabilities, my 360 is a LOT more than a game 'station'.

Meh sommore. I do all that with a computer serving as a media center..streaming from the server in the basement.. or from the web.

Can I get that guarantee in writing please?

You already have it in writing.

By 'computer' I assume you mean a traditional desktop or laptop.

Sure. That is what a 'computer' is. The rest of it is gadgetry.

Tablet and hybrid laptop-tablet users will accept and probably love the Metro UI.

Probably true... but now you are back in gadgets.

But what would I know? I'm just an IT guy by trade

Yeah. Me too... and a programmer to boot.

Seriously, it's up to the user ... like it; use it - hate it; don't.

True enough... Other than the endless calls from my clients trying to figger out where everything went.

29 posted on 09/23/2011 6:07:54 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Sure.
Probably true...
Yeah.
True enough...

So other than your "meh" comments because you don't like my phone or 360 ... we agree. Awesome!

I have to ask though ... why is a programmer getting direct calls from clients? You need a helpdesk/incident management team. Of course you might be doing that too. If so, good luck ... clients can be a whiney bunch.

30 posted on 09/23/2011 6:23:12 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: DesertSapper
So other than your "meh" comments because you don't like my phone or 360 ... we agree. Awesome!

I don't mind your phone, or your 360. They are no worse or better than they are. I DO mind changing something as ubiquitous as the desktop into something as limited as a phone/tablet interface.

I have to ask though ... why is a programmer getting direct calls from clients? You need a helpdesk/incident management team. Of course you might be doing that too. If so, good luck ... clients can be a whiney bunch.

Most of my programming is based around utilities for techs, and they are a direct expression of necessities in the field - I am first a tech, lest I lose my muse. :)

So yes, I am the help desk as well (probably primarily)... serving SOHO and Residential, and writing in my 'spare' time.

The impact of this new interface (on joe-user) is far more than you know, if one doesn't have the benefit of an educational staff and help desk. Throw in the fact that any software under the sun may be present, and the result is that you and I are on different planets... maybe even different planes of existence.

Believe me, this 'Metro' is doom to me - I can see it coming. There won't be a flurry of calls - it will be a blizzard.

31 posted on 09/23/2011 6:59:39 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
That blizzard of calls translates to job security for those of us in IT support roles - but I feel your pain on being frontline for fielding calls. Thankfully, I have at least one or two layers to blunt the angry users before they land in my lap.

Reminder, you can always switch the users laptops/desktops back to the more familiar 'explorer' look. However, the growing pains of changing interfaces didn't slow down Apple on their iPhone or iPad. Users WILL adjust to a new UI.

32 posted on 09/23/2011 7:45:58 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: bridgemanusa

Well then.. couldn’t “grandma” just “roll her own”?

:-)

She could, but with this new "protection" she wouldn't be able to boot it.

;-)

33 posted on 09/23/2011 10:04:12 PM PDT by Channeling Locke
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