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New 'semi-solid' battery could recharge EVs as fast as pumping gas
Engadget ^ | 6/8/11 | Sharif Sakr

Posted on 06/08/2011 5:00:36 PM PDT by dangerdoc

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1 posted on 06/08/2011 5:00:38 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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And I suppose the goo tank, theoretically, could be simultaneously emptied back into the filling station reservoir so that the used goo could be recharged?

Could work.

Or, how about a system that swaps out more solid pre-charged batteries?

The latter could be vulnerable to some problems, though. Swap junk batteries for good.


2 posted on 06/08/2011 5:05:05 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

It sounded interesting.

Regular or premium goo?


3 posted on 06/08/2011 5:06:35 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

A dark liquid that holds alot of potential energy...only instead of pumping it out of the ground, you have to make it.

I’m no MIT researcher; but, I’ve got a theory:

Mining coal out of the ground, burning it to convert potential energy into mechanical energy, converting said mechanical energy into electrical energy, transmitting said electrical energy for hundreds of miles, and converting back into potential energy in this ooz....is probably less efficient than just putting a fossil fuel in a car. Just a hunch.


4 posted on 06/08/2011 5:06:50 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Doing a battery swap isn’t efficient because the number, because even if you could quickly do a swap, the number of batteries needed to service the average number of customers a day would fill a large warehouse.


5 posted on 06/08/2011 5:08:49 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: lacrew

I agree.
The EV thing only works rationally if you get your juice from hydro or nukes.


6 posted on 06/08/2011 5:10:21 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Jeff Winston
Or, how about a system that swaps out more solid pre-charged batteries?

The latter could be vulnerable to some problems, though. Swap junk batteries for good.


Would be OK if you just leased the batteries, a bit like the propane tanks from your hardware store - turn an old one in and get a new one...

7 posted on 06/08/2011 5:11:04 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: dangerdoc

This, not you, is stupid... We don’t have the capicity in the grid to handle it.


8 posted on 06/08/2011 5:23:28 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: dangerdoc
Add this to the very large list of breakthroughs reported each month that will solve our energy needs.


9 posted on 06/08/2011 5:24:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Until Reagan rises from the dead: Thank God McCain didnt win. Obama's better than some RINO.)
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I have a much simpler solution: DRILL BABY DRILL!!!! AND SELL THE DAMNED OIL AND TO HELL WITH OPEC!!! Sorry for shouting but I’m sick and tired of stories about krazy-kooky-enviro-friendly energy’’, ‘’electric cars’’ solar power’’ ‘’green jobs’’. It’s all a lot of neo-Marxist bs to turn us into Belgium. Drill here for the damned oil and do it now!!


10 posted on 06/08/2011 5:24:49 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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Or, how about a system that swaps out more solid pre-charged batteries?

This is already available in Japan. I believe they might be testing it in SF and possibly NY too.

11 posted on 06/08/2011 5:28:37 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Jeff Winston

http://www.cnet.com.au/electric-car-battery-swap-station-trial-in-japan-339296437.htm


12 posted on 06/08/2011 5:29:27 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: jmacusa

I can think of some real benefits.

The biggest problem with coal is that it is difficult modulate power as needed. In general power companies will run coal for baseline load 24 hours a day and cycle on and off more expensive NG turbines as the load changes. If there were a less expensive way to store electricity, the entire load could be generated with cheaper coal.

It would be a pretty good way to back up power in an industrial or commercial setting.

It may even be a good way to power a car too, who knows.


13 posted on 06/08/2011 5:38:46 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: jmacusa

I totally agree.

New tech stuff is fun from a “thought experiment” perspective but, what we need to do now is utilise what we have that we know works.


14 posted on 06/08/2011 5:39:38 PM PDT by IAMIUBU
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To: lacrew

Thank you. So much of this “green” nonsense is based on foolishness and ignores the simple fact that most electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels or using nuclear power.


15 posted on 06/08/2011 5:45:08 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: lacrew
Mining coal out of the ground, burning it to convert potential energy into mechanical energy, converting said mechanical energy into electrical energy, transmitting said electrical energy for hundreds of miles, and converting back into potential energy in this ooz....is probably less efficient than just putting a fossil fuel in a car

Your hunch is not entirely correct for a couple of reasons having to do with efficiency. A gasoline engine is about 15% fuel to wheel efficient, not counting the cost of crude in the Middle East to refined gasoline in your tank. Coal plants are quite efficient as is the conversion of electricity to mechanical energy in an electric motor.

The real issue is capital cost because of the battery, lifetime, range, and performance.

16 posted on 06/08/2011 5:48:11 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: dangerdoc

As always, I ask: where does the electricity come from?


17 posted on 06/08/2011 5:48:45 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: dangerdoc
The researchers insist this energy revolution is years off ...

Scientific speak for this stuff has huge negatives that we never mention in these attention grabbing PR releases.

18 posted on 06/08/2011 5:48:50 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dangerdoc

I can just see it..”OK folks, at the count of three, everyone plug in. One, Two, Three!” ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP. The grid melts down and the whole country goes dark.


19 posted on 06/08/2011 5:50:33 PM PDT by crz
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To: NoLibZone

I’m betting on unicorn farts as the ultimate energy source.

(Does that make me a Dimocrat?)


20 posted on 06/08/2011 5:50:38 PM PDT by chickenlips
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