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How to Arrest a State Legislature in 6 Easy Steps
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Posted on 04/27/2011 7:00:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark

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1 posted on 04/27/2011 7:00:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark
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To: MichiganConservative; The Magical Mischief Tour; DariusBane; ClearCase_guy; Gilbo_3

I thought you guys might like to read it.
Sorry for the formatting, it’s poorer than I would have liked.


2 posted on 04/27/2011 7:03:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You lost me on step 6.

Actually, you lost me before that. “If two or more persons conspire to injure, etc.,... in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States.” That sounds like it would have to a right secured in the U.S. Constitution or a federal law to be covered by this provision.

Armchair lawyering usually turns out poorly, which is partially a condemnation of our bloated system and partially evidence that people often see what they want to see in the law. (I’m guilty too.)

But really, step 6 is a show-stopper.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 7:23:06 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"Find police officers and a prosecutor willing to uphold the Constitution."

Good luck on that one.

4 posted on 04/27/2011 7:33:10 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

To be read later


5 posted on 04/27/2011 7:40:01 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: OneWingedShark

sfl


6 posted on 04/27/2011 8:52:49 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: OneWingedShark
just needs a little polish, a few willing people with damn good lawyers on retainer, and balls...

findin the cops and prosecuters will be a stretch tho...

7 posted on 04/28/2011 6:00:44 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: OneWingedShark

Sounds easy till you get to step 6, then takes a hard turn into impossible. “Send lawyers, guns and money”. Repeat.


8 posted on 04/28/2011 6:53:14 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Gil4

So then you’re saying that the 14th Amendment’s restriction on States from “depriv[ing] any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” is not being violated when state lawmakers pass State Statutes which a) contradict the State Constitution, and b) are enforced, with full force and authority of the law, to the point where their implementation is in-practice an amendment/revision of the State Constitution?


9 posted on 04/28/2011 6:58:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Still Thinking

The last step was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek/sarcastic comment on how law-abiding our “law enforcement” is.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 9:46:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Find police officers and a prosecutor willing to uphold the Constitution.

You left out a judge. Other than that it is a wonderful example of sarcasm.

Finding police officer, prosecutors, and a judge willing to uphold the Constitution *should* be child's play. Finding exceptions to that criteria *should* be difficult.

It shows how far the cancer has eaten that the above statement is exactly reversed in practice, through the simple expedient of the MSM redefining commonly used words so that they mean precisely opposite of what was commonly understood only a few generations ago.

11 posted on 04/28/2011 5:25:42 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: OneWingedShark
Polish it up a bit. Maybe run it by a willing "legal" counsel or two for fine tuning. And I'd say you have a very powerful document to make available for downloading and printing out.

I can see thousands of these passed out on the steps of State legislatures and even on Capitol Hill.

Looks like it could get some real legs if done up right. Good thinkin'
12 posted on 04/28/2011 5:48:12 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: frithguild
This looks like a fun but ultimately fruitless exercise.

#6 it the hard one.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

13 posted on 04/28/2011 6:09:11 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: OneWingedShark

It seems doubtful that US Code Title 18, Part I, Chapter 13, § 241 would apply to a violation of a state law or constitution.

It also seems unlikely that the 14th ammendment would change that, since the standard SCOTUS interprtation of it is “it means whatever the hell we want it to mean at any given time”** and I doubt they will want it to mean what you want it to mean.

** - Same as the rest of the Constitution


14 posted on 04/28/2011 10:00:43 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Gil4

You hit on something that REALLY disturbs me; the USSC is the head of the most lawless of the three branches: the Judiciary.

I do not say this lightly; but consider how many judges think of themselves as god-kings and wrap themselves up in precedence, rather than what the law ACTUALLY says, expecting all lesser beings [mere mortals] to bow and swoon and revere their pronouncements as utterly infallible! {Which is laughable on its face considering how many overturnings of rulings there are...}

One of the best/worst examples is the 2005 Kelo v. New London decision. In this case the city (New London) argued that the *projected* tax-revenue [increase] of using eminent domain to seize Kelo’s property and turn it over to a private developer... and they won!

Consider the ramifications of this: the IMAGINARY “we think” is valid & satisfactory justification for the taking of someone’s property. THERE ARE NOW NO PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS!


15 posted on 04/29/2011 4:22:21 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I can’t believe I forgot to ping you. / *Ping*


16 posted on 05/05/2011 6:51:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Better late to the party than to never be invited at all. Thanks... ;-)


17 posted on 05/06/2011 6:28:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: OneWingedShark
Add in a 5aiii section. Article 6, Paragraph 2.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Judges in every State shall be bound thereby. Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

If your judge in part 6 fails to do their job, their are in violation as well.

Grand Jury may be the only other way to do this short of an armed uprising.

18 posted on 05/06/2011 6:34:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse

Ah, good catch!
Thank you.


19 posted on 05/06/2011 7:52:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
So then you’re saying that the 14th Amendment’s restriction on States from “depriv[ing] any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” is not being violated when state lawmakers pass State Statutes which a) contradict the State Constitution, and b) are enforced, with full force and authority of the law, to the point where their implementation is in-practice an amendment/revision of the State Constitution?

Although you are correct in the plain reading of the constitution, you would not only need a prosecutor and police who support the constitution, you would need a series of judges all the way to the Supremes who support the constitution. You don't have that by a long shot. The judges of this country are as corrupt as the “citizens of the world” who run this country.

What would you do with the corrupt judges who go to work every day with the idea that they rule the country however they want to and have progressed beyond the constitution, if based on nothing else but the unconstitutional decisions made by other judges over the decades.

20 posted on 05/17/2011 11:28:21 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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