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How Did Steve Jobs Get His Liver?
slate.com ^ | Jan. 19, 2011 | William Saletan

Posted on 01/20/2011 6:08:36 AM PST by Daffynition

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To: r9etb

“So, I take it you favor an open market on livers, so that only the people with the most money will get the transplants, instead of everybody having an even chance.”

You’re missing the point. Having a “fair” organ allocation process is pretty useless if 25-50% of transplant recipients die waiting for an organ. The point of compensation is to induce an adequate supply of donated organs. If supply exceeds “demand”/need for organs, then much of the allocation problem goes away. As the Slate article makes clear, the current system already allocates organs to some extent based on willingness/ability to pay. That is, if you need a $200,000 liver transplant, you don’t even get into the line until/unless you should you have the ability to pay for that transplant via insurance, via a charitable fund or your own ability to pay. So I’m not proposing any change in that. I’d simply allow people to get paid to donate.

It turns out the amount needed to induce a sufficient supply of organs is surprisingly small—a few hundred dollars or perhaps $1000 or $2000 to flip someone from being on the fence to being willing to donate. Thus, the added cost to the patient of receiving a paid-for organ is only a tiny amount compared to the cost of the operation itself. So I don’t picture many people being in a situation where they can afford a $200,000 transplant, but can’t scrape up $2,000 more to cover the cost of paying for the organ etc. Read this http://www.aei.org/book/275 if you want to educate yourself.


41 posted on 01/20/2011 7:29:36 AM PST by DrC
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To: r9etb

Imagine how many more livers would be available with the market-based approach.

Or, do you know of any market item that is in consistently short supply?


42 posted on 01/20/2011 7:30:29 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Onelifetogive
Poor people have nothing to lose when they get caught.

From my observations, most of them are poor and will always stay poor precisely because they are always doing some stupid ass thing that leads to trouble.

43 posted on 01/20/2011 7:38:56 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Or, do you know of any market item that is in consistently short supply?

Honest politicians?

Efficient bureaucrats?

Conservative professors?

Intelligent actors?

44 posted on 01/20/2011 7:42:23 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: DrC

even worse, if you insurance will pay, they will ONLY pay for you on a list of THEIR choosing.


45 posted on 01/20/2011 7:45:26 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DrC

Excellent post.
Years ago I typed my wife’s nursing school paper on the subject and the same conclusions were valid then (15 years ago) as they are now.

The concept of “fairness” (ugh!) is what is causing the delay of a market-based solution.


46 posted on 01/20/2011 7:45:26 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Daffynition

One of the reasons some people work very hard to get rich is because life is easier when you’re rich. Money lets you apply brute force to some problems. Why be rich if you can’t buy something you need to save your life, like a body part?

If the guy wants to game the system a little to get himself a liver, I have no problem with it. Besides, I’ve seen organs go to people who seem not to have deserved them, so why not Steve Jobs, who has made enormous contributions to the quality of our lives?


47 posted on 01/20/2011 7:55:23 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

“Waste of a good liver”

Who judges the quality of what Jobs accomplished by gaining an extra 2-3 years of life, and his worth to society?

You?

His payment in cash probably subsidized many additional transplants for the less fortunate and the underfunded stiffed by poor insurance - their costs that the hospital has to swallow.

His business leadership, wealth creation and philanthropy for an extra 3 years added to the quality of more peoples’ lives than an adult who may live an extra 20 years on state welfare.

His experience serves as living research into extending life of pancreatic liver patients.


48 posted on 01/20/2011 7:55:57 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Ditto
From my observations, most of them are poor and will always stay poor precisely because they are always doing some stupid ass thing that leads to trouble.

I own rental property, and I could not agree with you more. Many of the people I deal with have multiple judgements and liens against them and cannot ever own anything of value because it will get taken to pay back the people they have cheated in the past. (I hate when I find this out too late...)

49 posted on 01/20/2011 7:56:46 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: Richard Kimball

Thanks RK. In part why I posted is the efficacy of good discussion. If people, through this news see the need for more donors, come forward as organ donors. I say, well good.

I hope and pray Jobs makes a full and complete recovery.


50 posted on 01/20/2011 8:00:13 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: Daffynition
How Did Steve Jobs Get His Liver?

He buys it at the supermarket deli like everybody else, silly.

51 posted on 01/20/2011 8:04:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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When your name has come to the top of the waiting list, a transplant coordinator will notify you by phone/pager to come to the transplant center. Once you are at or near the top of the list, you may need to reside near the transplant center for up to 2-3 months since you will need to be at the transplant center within 6 hours from the time you are called for transplant. The transplant center will let you know if this is the case.
52 posted on 01/20/2011 8:37:40 AM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: silverleaf

I’m surprised he didn’t order a bunch of scientists to grow one for him using stem cells.


53 posted on 01/20/2011 9:08:09 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: JoeProBono

54 posted on 01/20/2011 10:11:35 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Except wouldn't the pool of organs be larger now, since there was a greater incentive to donate?

Yeah, I'm just itching to pull in a little extra cash by selling off my liver.

"We're here for your liver!"

55 posted on 01/20/2011 10:50:34 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Daffynition

56 posted on 01/20/2011 2:44:57 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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