American Indian oral traditions and artwork on the other hand indicate Amerind ancestors dealing with dinosaurs on a more regular basis. The stegosaur in particular shows up in artwork and tradition in pretty nearly intact form:
Posted on 12/20/2010 7:19:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind
You still have it wrong. The following comments only prove the depths of your confusion.
"He needs to show that decreased entropy in the Earth part of the system would violate the 2L given the huge amount of work-capable energy constantly entering Earth from the Sun."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are the one who has to show that massive entropy decrease on the Earth has happened such that biological life has risen. You don't get to assume that it 'has' happened unless he proves it 'can't' happen.
That is the negative proof fallacy where you think you can claim that that something 'has' happened until he proves that it 'cannot' happen.
"Entropy on Earth will never increase appreciably as long as that workable energy keeps pouring in."
Now you're hiding behind the word 'appreciably'. Entropy on Earth increases all the time. Increased entropy on Earth is not 'missing'. What is missing is decreased entropy on Earth that would produce biological life as we observe it.
"Now you're talking about the chemical energy in your body that moved the fork to scramble the eggs. It is irrelevant whether the eggs can unscramble themselves."
The entropy decrease needed to unscrambling eggs is minuscule compared to the entropy decreases needed for life to arise. And heat from the Sun isn't going to unscramble eggs much less spontaneously generate life. You aren't even dealing with reality.
Exclude the Supernatural by understanding the natural? I think not. A deeper understanding of the Supernatural would be more like it. I don’t see them as mutually exclusive at all.
>>“It is a huge mistake to take the opinions of atheistic naturalists and use them as a standard of absolute truth that sits in judgment on the Word of God.<<
Sits in judgment of the word of God? How in the world does understanding Gods creation sit in judgment of His word? It makes one appreciate His word more.
Damn you’re stupid!
Not what I said. Science, by definition, excludes the supernatural. It must and does. Always. You cannot gain an 'understanding' of the supernatural by studying a philosophy that denies it 'a priori'.
"Sits in judgment of the word of God? How in the world does understanding Gods creation sit in judgment of His word? It makes one appreciate His word more."
Because you don't 'understand Gods creation' by accepting what science says. That's how you got the big bang, long-age, evolution in the first place. By listening to a philosophy that denies God 'a priori'. That's not 'helping' you 'understand' anything.
>>That’s how you got the big bang, long-age, evolution in the first place. By listening to a philosophy that denies God ‘a priori’. That’s not ‘helping’ you ‘understand’ anything.<<
Are you delusional or just not comprehending? God CREATED the earth. There is no such thing as evolution. By believing that the earth is millions, billions or whatever number of years old in no way changes the fact that God created it. I suggest that He created it much longer ago then you do. The world “that then was” was destroyed because of rebellion and was reformed after Gen1:2. The word used in Gen 1:1 meant to create from nothing. In subsequent verses the word used meant to form from something that already existed.
But really one needn’t reach THAT far down the rabbit hole of wackadoo to prove my point.
A creationist would fill in that blank not just with Geo-centrism, but Archeology, Paleontology, Astronomy, Physics, Geology, etc, etc.
Creationists like to focus on Darwin, as if their problems with science begin and end with that one darn guy! But really their problems are deep seated and fundamental.
Your position is indeed, so stupid; that you will not even own up to it!
Believing man evolved from organic soup is more fantastic than believing a man was 'poofed' from sand? Go figure.
Dinosaur means giant lizard. Gigantism is a known condition that appears to be possible (not always probable) with all created kinds. AND lets be honest here - 3 billion lines of coded DNA did not create themselves nor change from 1 life form into another. Eons are not necessary for micro-evolution and macro-evolution is a mathematical impossibility - even many orders beyond trillions of years.
Therefore, I posit that any catastrophe (no matter how much smaller in scale than the great flood) can diminish or multiply food, animal and bacterial populations which btw is a symbiotic relationship in nature requiring co-existance & co-dependence on each other (iow they did not evolve in separate eons nor need eons too evolve, just specific niches). And let’s not forget other required survival factors (temp, water supply, rain etc.) and the variations any weather changes (even slight) can/will impose.
So if/when they do find a giant deep-sea living coalacanth I will be no more surprised than if they don’t - seeing as how we know their is life in every climate extreme explored on Earth - even in the rocks, right? Do we not also know that beyond ‘new’ discoveries that every life form was at one time bigger and/or more robust and now only shows a continuing dis-appearance from the living fossil record only for one day at this rate for Earth to be completely void of life short of God intervening before it ever gets that bad.
>> Damn you’re stupid!<<
Now those words indicate the true heart of the person that uttered them don’t they.
Only a man himself knows his own heart. He and God.
But the fact that I reduced him to spittle stained invective I take with a chuckle. ;)
Ooh, drama... That's so impressive! Really!
You didn't get the big bang, long-ages or evolution from a philosophy that accepts creation by God, now did you?
Do you think you can trust this philosophy for long-ages but not trust it for the big-bang and evolution? Do you think you can trust the Word of God for creation and life but not trust it for long-ages?
"I suggest that He created it much longer ago then you do. The world “that then was” was destroyed because of rebellion and was reformed after Gen1:2. The word used in Gen 1:1 meant to create from nothing. In subsequent verses the word used meant to form from something that already existed."
And I suggest that you want to choose certain parts of an atheistic philosophy and think they 'help' you 'understand' God.
Are you delusional or just not comprehending?
Was everything that satan said in the garden a lie, or just the key parts?
American Indian oral traditions and artwork on the other hand indicate Amerind ancestors dealing with dinosaurs on a more regular basis. The stegosaur in particular shows up in artwork and tradition in pretty nearly intact form:
You know. There are some people you just can’t discuss certain subjects with. You should assume that I am one of them.
Laughing at **** you’re too thick to grasp doesn’t score any points in debates...
They indicate that he cannot fathom general relativity, and its basic implications, but wishes to attack Christians that do.
I know you’d like to believe that you are smarter and way more evolved than those desert nomads but that is just a conundrum for you. Were they illiterate? Did God not enable our DNA w/ language abilities? You think we have no way of knowing but we do have Biblical accounts of their lives, a scripture saying there is noting new under the sun and ancient evidence that backs it up (i.e. acheology, the pyramids, stonehenge, Incas and Aztecs, etc).
Re: flat-earthers (since you brought it up) It may appear to you that we YECs are just lame-brained flat-earthers (almost illiterate nomads if you will) but again you have a conundrum. I know there is scripture indicating the earth is a sphere or ‘circle that hangs on nothing in space’ and in other scriptures it seems to create a paradox - one of a flat-earth or at least a square (i.e. the four corners of the Earth).
Now how do we perceive both of these correctly or as correct? We may have to pierce our pride and admit that we do not know. A better answer is simply to realize a) God can not lie and b) all things are possible by His Word. Let’s not forget c) to discover at least the material and natural order creates it’s own sense of awe, wonder, and amazement for the One True God.
But you continually want limitations and restrictions and the ability to question and test God on His every Word. How many miracles can ever be enough for the skeptic? Does everything need a natural materialistic answer? Does anyone worship science to the extent that they think it can eventually answer everything? How foolish to hold dear to anything that is contrary to His Word b/c one can not fathom how?
Don’t forget that we exist in four dimensions yet we know that we may not see nor perceive all other possible/probable dimensions.
Could the earth be both a sphere and a scroll that is flat w/ four corners that unrolls as time passes (or something more movie-like with passing spherical shells of time)? Could any of those scriptures not have been literal or simply lost some/all meaning in translation?
Even ‘doubting Thomas’ eventually gave in to his conundrums when faced w/ enough evidence. And we all have the chance to be more blessed than those who saw Jesus as the scriptures say if we’ll take that leap of faith and invite Him into our lives. Tis true it is blessed to see Him and believe but even more blessed for those who didn’t see Him and yet still believe.
You’ve reduced yourself to ignorant, mindless attacks, based on your own ignorance.
You should be proud, that is an accomplishment of sorts.
I did do that (mentally several irksome posters came to mind) when I posted #207 - just didn’t have time to list all the usual subjects.
LOL, the very fact that you're unfolding proteins and whatnot means that you are increasing the entropy of the system.
What you cannot do in an open system is simply add energy, and decrease entropy, which is what evolutionists are necessarily positing.
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