Posted on 12/03/2010 9:40:21 AM PST by OldDeckHand
Sounds like a fun place to visit.
I see. "God did it". Are you familiar with the expression, deus ex machina?
You're telling me that juvenile dinosaurs swam almost 6K miles to arrive near the place Noah was building his Ark?
It's tough to have a critical examination of this story, or any story when questions about the physical impossibility of a certain element of that story is met with, "God did it".
I’m a 100% believer in the Ark story, and in Dinosaurs, but trying to make an argument for the “ young earth” theory by placing them on the Ark is just too stupid beyond belief and makes Christians look like idiots. I don’t know how old the earth actually is, or when in the time line Dino’s actually roamed the earth, but let’s not make things up just to win the creation argument.
I did. See post #11.
>>Lots of hatred for young earth creationists here on FR.<<
I’m not a “young earther” per-se, but I do think it’s kinda comical how people talk about what had to have happened back then when none of us really knows. And two things:
1. If one saw Adam ten minutes after he was created, how old would you guess he “looked”? Based on what is in the bible, I infer that he would appear to be a full grown adult even though he was just created. So why can an omnipotent God not do the same with all of creation? It’s at least worth considering.
2. There was something weird going on in the distant past and I can give examples: We have found the skeletons of flying creatures that would have been well over 200 lbs in weight, yet it is physically impossible for such a creature to fly in our current environment. The maximum weight for a living creature to fly under its own power is approximately 35 lbs. After that it takes more than a lb of flesh to get a lb of lift. Yet these creatures existed and the comical efforts to explain them away as “gliders” are an example of just how far some scientists will go to explain away what is right in front of their face.
2a. And more on that is the larger dinosaurs. Just as a flying animal cannot exceed ~35 lbs, animals the size of creatures like the brontosaurus could not have supported their own weight on the skeletons we have found. And they would not have been able to lift their heads on the necks we have on the skeletons. They would have drug their neck like an alligator drags its tail. And the blood pressure problem that has been solved in the giraff would be many times multiplied. Either they would pass out every time they DID try to lift their head, or the blood pressure would have to be so high at the head that the feet would explode. As the giraff has very complicated blood pressure management, the problems are significantly compounded with the Brontosaurus.
What do the above oddities mean? Well, some have suggested that air pressure was significantly greater back then, giving the flyers more lift. But the one that holds the most promise is that gravity was simply much weaker back then, for some reason. Seeing as how some scientists now theorize that gravity is basically a very strong force “leaking” into our dimension from another, this would imply that it didn’t “leak quite as bad” back then. ;)
My point is not that the theories above are right or wrong. My point is that we don’t know. And, honestly, the six day creation thing may or may not be what we see as “six days”. My faith in Jesus does not depend on it being six earth days or even “six earth days back then” or “six ‘God’ days”. But I do believe that God created the heavens and the earth and all the creatures that walk on it in “six days”.
I’m anxious to find out the “whole story” on this and many other things when I go to meet the Lord. Finally, I’ll know for sure who shot Kennedy.
Funny no one here seems to have a problem with a metrosexual mouse and his “girlfriend” of seventy years having half a dozen theme parks.
The only documentation on the subject is from scripture. Human efforts to rationalize God out of it depend only upon human intellect that is fraught with presuppositions, and the resultant “evidence” that is tainted by that view. To immediately dismiss the concept of God in this case limits you, not him, or the accounts in scripture. You are putting yourself in a box, whether you realize it or not.
That's my contention, a goodly chunk of the atmosphere was blown off by the Chicxulub strike and subsequent steam jet as ocean poured into a 120 mile wide white hot crater.
But the one that holds the most promise is that gravity was simply much weaker back then, for some reason. Seeing as how some scientists now theorize that gravity is basically a very strong force “leaking” into our dimension from another, this would imply that it didn’t “leak quite as bad” back then. ;)
That is a very intriguing thought.
Two conspiracy theorists die and go to Heaven.
After a few weeks, who do they run into, but God himself. They talk for a little bit, finally one screws up enough courage to ask the question: “So, God? What’s the truth about the Kennedy Assassination?”
God says, “You’ll be disappointed to know that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, shot JFK. Jack Ruby, acting alone, shot Oswald.”
After a few moments of silence, one of the conspiracy theorist turns to the other and says, “The conspiracy is deeper than we thought”...
Bless their hearts. IF there were dinos roaming this earth when God told Noah to build that Ark then we would still find them roaming this earth... I suspect the majority of these 'young earthers' have NO clue why there was a flood in the first place.... God was NOT angry at the dinos as they had already died out long before this particular flood.
Ah yes, the storied objectivity of the Darwinian illuminati is on display for all to see. Let’s just dismiss God right out of hand, and get on with the Christian bashing. God knows that this is where this is headed.
Should the Bible be taught in Spanish?
“If English was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me.”
A Texas governor.
Just one pair? What about all the others?
If you refer to Genesis 9:2 (you won't be defiled by looking it up), its pretty clear from the text that the relationship between man and animal was very different before the flood. It was only after the flood that animals had their fear of man. Noah wouldn't have to 'wrestle' a juvenile away from a parent.
Further, if you think for just one minute ... given the time-line between the completion of the ark and the coming of the rain (7 days) does it not seem reasonable that the animals came to him?
Your comment about your particular dino being only on one place on Earth is merely an unverifiable assumption on your part. You assume that is the only place they lived because that is the only place that fossils have been found.
Seems like recognizing an unverifiable assumption would be part of a "rational critical thinking" process ...
LOL! bttt
Nothing to do with the thread. I just had to laugh. Thanks.
:-)
You should have clicked my screen name before you made your ignorant comment.
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