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Triceratops 'Never Existed' -- Three-horned fossils are actually juvenile torosauruses
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| August 3, 2010
| Rob Quinn
Posted on 11/09/2010 7:32:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
I don’t buy it. There are skeletons of juvenile Triceratops. Perhaps Torosaurus is a variation, but I can’t see it as a more mature form of the already huge Triceratops. More likely, this is a case of divergence, as with the Indian and African Elephant.
They do make a good case for the holes in the frill, stating that the bone type for the frill is of a kind that can and does change shape over time, and can both grow and shrink. However, There are far too many examples of both animals to conclusively lump them together.
Granted, I’m not a paleontologist, so I don’t have all the science the way Horner does, but this may be a case of being unable to see the forest because of all the trees in the way.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:12:57 PM PST
by
Little Pig
(Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
To: Little Pig
Yep...thanks for ruining my childhood...freepers...tri-c was my favorite...now what I’m going to tell my 4 year old nephew who loved trc-c too?
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:30:54 PM PST
by
gman992
To: gman992
Triceratops will still exist. Since the Triceratops name is older than the Torosaurus name, Triceratops is the one that will be used to describe the animal, and the Torosaurus name will be abandoned. The shouting will be over where “Torosaurus” fits into the Triceratops family: as a different stage of maturity, as a variation on the species, as a mutation, or something else.
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posted on
11/09/2010 10:37:14 PM PST
by
Little Pig
(Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
To: SunkenCiv
Better toss my novel Triceratops Bringing Hope and Change from the Planet Pluto, and start over. It's all just too unbelievable to make a good story any more.
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posted on
11/09/2010 11:36:37 PM PST
by
ElkGroveDan
(He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!)
To: ApplegateRanch; GeronL; SunkenCiv; All
Interesting that the “adult” Toro is smaller than the young Tri. In checking a reference book I own, “A Guide to Dinosaurs”, Consultant Editor Michael K. Brett-Surman, 2002, I offer more details. Mars, Hatcher and Brown all collected a number of Tri skulls. Eventually 16 species were named. However in recent resarch Dr. Catherine Forster has reduced the number of Tri species to just two—T. Prorsus, and Marsh’s original and larger T. horridus.
Relatively few Toros have been found and while for a time several species were named, the differences have since been attributed to sex variations. The head and frill are larger proportionally than the Tri.
So possibly these specimens were subspecies, or lived in different time periods, or somewhat different ecological conditions. While they are all attributed to the late cretaceous, that was millions of years, and look how much the hominid strain has varied in the past 2 million years.
To: SunkenCiv
Torosaurus young afflicted with bonkus of the conkus. It was a deficiency of spinach, rather common in those days.
To: SunkenCiv
>>> Triceratops 'Never Existed' -- Three-horned fossils are actually juvenile torosauruses 'Never Existed' -- Three-horned fossils are actually juvenile torosauruses
We don't need Triceratops. Kosmoceratops with it's 15 horns is five times better anyway.
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posted on
11/10/2010 3:26:02 AM PST
by
tlb
To: null and void
Good thing these creatures don’t do vaginal births.
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posted on
11/10/2010 4:17:02 AM PST
by
wolfcreek
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
To: SunkenCiv
What?
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posted on
11/10/2010 4:54:38 AM PST
by
BenLurkin
(This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
To: SunkenCiv
Also breaking, Anguirus will be classfied as part of the Tohosaurus family of dinosaurs...
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posted on
11/10/2010 5:01:00 AM PST
by
Jonah Hex
("Please call me Senator Leech, General. I worked so hard for that title.")
To: gleeaikin
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posted on
11/10/2010 7:05:58 AM PST
by
GeronL
(http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
To: TheCause
Is this the same place with a picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur?
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posted on
11/10/2010 7:49:25 AM PST
by
starlifter
(Sapor Amo Pullus)
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
11/10/2010 8:43:26 AM PST
by
JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
To: Jonah Hex
Also breaking, Anguirus will be classfied as part of the Tohosaurus family of dinosaurs... And I'll still kick his butt.
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posted on
11/10/2010 8:49:25 AM PST
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: SunkenCiv
First Pluto, now this. Is nothing sacred?
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posted on
11/10/2010 9:28:34 AM PST
by
MattinNJ
(Palin. I cannot spare this woman. She fights!)
To: Jonah Hex
To: Tanniker Smith; ari-freedom
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posted on
11/10/2010 3:14:46 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
To: InvisibleChurch; The Comedian
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posted on
11/10/2010 3:17:42 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
To: ElkGroveDan
Asimov complained about this regarding Mercury; he wrote one of his whodunits based on the then-wisdom that Mercury always shows one face toward the Sun. Turned out, it doesn’t. :’)
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posted on
11/10/2010 3:20:18 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
To: max americana; william clark
Imagine the hell the dino-era matadors had to endure.
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posted on
11/10/2010 3:21:48 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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