Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
Because this is so circumstantial that there’s nothing to refute other than a couple of retired military guys who are professed UFO believers. It’s not like there are fuzzy pictures or such to pick apart. In this case it would amount to little more than he said she said.
Fascinating perspective . . . in a sad sort of way.
All and all I found it to be a cut above most conferences of that type.
My "KOOK" detector did not go off once ;^)
THANKS TONS.
Some of us have talked to such whistleblowers for many years and knew their authenticity and the solidity of their testimony. However, thankfully, it was not time yet.
I STILL WISH it were not time. However, it is inexorable.
So, we must help folks—particularly conservatives and Christians wake-up and come to terms with such realities without losing their faith or their values. And, hopefully, with some better options for survival than they would otherwise have.
Thanks for your candid fair-mindedness. Greatly appreciated.
FR thread link
Like I said, nothing much, but it changed my way of thinking about such things. Most of the time it's best to believe your eyes ;^)
(3) what are the written languages of the post Flood giant tribes in the mid-2nd millennium BC (one of the many cuneiform dialects or possibly even hieroglyphics in the case of the Amalekites who lived on the Sinai Peninsula in the time of Moses?).
Good place to start to look might be with the Sumerians.
A bunch of their stuff depicts giants as their kings.
I forget where I read or heard it but it was something about how they thought they were suppose to be hybrids.
Individual members thinking do NOT represent a dogma. There is not a dogma on this outside of human life and the demonic
“”fallen angels, actually.””
Fallen angels can only make use of material things of this world,not beyond it,thus cannot produce a real miracle ,only an illusion through a deceptive act of a created human being.
That said, Fallen Angels and demons are a possibility of deception that you might be correct about
INDEED.
AGREED.
Personal experience trumps ignorant arguments any day easily.
So perhaps you can inform us . . .
how many centuries does it take on average . . . before a Pope starts to promulgate a new construct until it becomes part of dogma?
That straw dog won’t hunt here any more than it will in the Religion Forum.
What a hollow, reply.
Sheesh.
Thanks.
I appreciate the candor.
However, your assumptions about fallen angels outside of earth has no basis in Scripture nor in other convincing evidence that I can recall.
Can you imagine what the Liberals would do with the power to impose an ET agenda on their inferior human beings. If the ET’s wanted to eat people, for example, liberals would demand to be able to hand the people over with religious, political, racial and sexual orders in mind.
I say we quickly offer up our “brightest and best” meals on earth to our space friends - the liberals (progressives). After the ETs are fat and sleepy, we can knock them off. ;)
“Your post reminds me of The Overton Window, by Glenn Beck.”
Never read but it would not take much convincing to persuade a Hollywood influenced generation of people to believe in this.
HG wells paved the road for this psychological effect with War of The Worlds broadcast that people committed suicide over
The Book of Enoch (also known as 1 Enoch) was once cherished by Jews and Christians alike, this book later fell into disfavor with powerful theologians–precisely because of its controversial statements on the nature and deeds of the fallen angels…
The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy (Filastrius, Liber de Haeresibus, no. 108). Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence to the book’s teaching about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century A.D. pronounced a curse upon those who believed it (Delitzsch, p. 223).
So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and shredded–and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago.
In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible…
Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old…
There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. Over a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of Enoch.
Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians’ acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible’s mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke’s verse in the original Greek reads: "This is my Son, the Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., "the elect one"): hear him."
The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles, "This is my Son, the Elect One"–the one promised in the Book of Enoch.
The Book of Jude tells us in vs. 14 that "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…" Jude also, in vs. 15, makes a direct reference to the Book of Enoch (2:1), where he writes, "to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly…" …
Many of the early church fathers also supported the Enochian writings. Justin Martyr ascribed all evil to demons whom he alleged to be the offspring of the angels who fell through lust for women (from the Ibid.)–directly referencing the Enochian writings.
Athenagoras, writing in his work called Legatio in about 170 A.D., regards Enoch as a true prophet. He describes the angels which "violated both their own nature and their office." In his writings, he goes into detail about the nature of fallen angels and the cause of their fall, which comes directly from the Enochian writings.
Many other church fathers: Tatian (110-172); Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (115-185); Clement of Alexandria (150-220); Tertullian (160-230); Origen (186-255); Lactantius (260-330); in addition to: Methodius of Philippi, Minucius Felix, Commodianus, and Ambrose of Milanalso–also approved of and supported the Enochian writings…
One by one the arguments against the Book of Enoch fade away. The day may soon arrive when the final complaints about the Book of Enoch’s lack of historicity and "late date" are also silenced by new evidence of the book’s real antiquity.
In a nutshell, Enoch I tells us that angels were assigned to earth to watch after the banished Adamic men. Instead, they acted willfully having sex with human women and producing bloodthirsty giants. And more, they taught man all kinds of forbidden knowledge such as war and weapons. All of this further explains Genesis 6.
The angels were seized and chained in darkness until the judgment and God took Enoch to be their advocate. Which he did, but their fate was sealed. The angels' plea was for their offspring. And, as I recall, the bodies of their offspring were destroyed by the flood but their spirits continued on the earth as the "demons."
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. - Mark 8:29-31
“”However, your assumptions about fallen angels outside of earth has no basis in Scripture nor in other convincing evidence that I can recall””
It’s based on real stories of early Christians who battled the demoniac and knew their limitations.
I’ll try and give you some examples if time permits me tomorrow.
I wish you a Blessed Evening
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THANKS ENORMOUSLY. I think that’s better even than your earlier such.
Much appreciated.
I would be interested in such stories.
However, I’m not impressed with historical mangling by early Christians and “church ‘fathers.’”
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