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The Horrific Derivatives Bubble That Could Destroy Entire World Financial System
The Market Oracle ^ | 9 Aug, 2010 | Michael Snyder (via Pravda)

Posted on 08/09/2010 6:07:25 PM PDT by Errant

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1 posted on 08/09/2010 6:07:27 PM PDT by Errant
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To: blam

fyi


2 posted on 08/09/2010 6:08:06 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

The sky is falling!


3 posted on 08/09/2010 6:14:42 PM PDT by devere
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To: Errant

This is the sort of article that gives fear mongering a bad name.


4 posted on 08/09/2010 6:14:56 PM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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He does not clearly explain the difference between the notional value of derivatives and the actual amount of money that can be gained or lost.

For example, suppose I bet you a dollar that the Dow Jones Industrials will go down tomorrow. The notional value of this contract would be the amount of money spent buying and selling the 30 Dow stucks, which is billions of dollars even for one day. However, the most I can make or lose on this contract is one dollar.

Now let’s try a real-world example. When Lehmann failed, it failed for $380 billion. There were in fact CDOs outstanding on this debt several times over, or more than a trillion dollars worth of CDOs. However, when the 300-odd major holders of these derivative positions met to settle up, only about $18 billion in actual cash had to be paid out, since each position was heavily hedged.


5 posted on 08/09/2010 6:16:29 PM PDT by proxy_user
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"This is the sort of article that gives fear mongering a bad name."

....And "SubPrime" was "contained"......

6 posted on 08/09/2010 6:17:44 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Errant
Moreover, both the hedge-fund and the derivatives markets are almost totally unregulated, either by the U.S. government or by any other government worldwide.

I knew there was a Liberal in the woodpile somewhere... Nobody EVER explains what that nasty "triggering" event would be. Just like TARP... the sky is falling so pass this crazy legislation that you don;t understand and didn't bother to read. I think this threat is nuts... how many bets on tonight's baseball game? Who knows? But, when the game is over, the market clears real fast...

7 posted on 08/09/2010 6:22:34 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

Or... I’m totally wrong and this is really scary!


8 posted on 08/09/2010 6:23:21 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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So we’re only looking at about a 27 trillion dollar pay out? That makes me feel a lot better. Thanks!


9 posted on 08/09/2010 6:24:27 PM PDT by Errant
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To: April Lexington

Actually, there aren’t 1.5 quadrillion dollars in existence so somebody got snookered...


10 posted on 08/09/2010 6:25:09 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Errant

So - I have been hearing about these things for quite awhile. Why are all governments continuing with them. Why not reel them in, starting like tomorrow? Why do things have to burst? Where are the adults?


11 posted on 08/09/2010 6:25:36 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Errant; blam

Can someone take the Market Oracle out back and shoot it, please?

I swear, it pains me to see otherwise sane people becoming as deranged as the “Oh my God, a car backfired, it’s a sign of the apocalypse!” types. It’s a sickness.


12 posted on 08/09/2010 6:26:33 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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Or... I’m totally wrong

It won't be the first time! Ducking & lol...

13 posted on 08/09/2010 6:27:17 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

The US economy is not the financial system.

The financial system is ALREADY destroyed, and the sooner it collapses, the better.

The end of this big con won’t destroy the real economy, it will liberate it.


14 posted on 08/09/2010 6:28:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (If the answer is "Republican", it must be a stupid question.)
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Why are all governments continuing with them.

They have been unable or unwilling to regulate them it seems.

15 posted on 08/09/2010 6:30:26 PM PDT by Errant
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and the sooner it collapses, the better.

I agree!

16 posted on 08/09/2010 6:31:57 PM PDT by Errant
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Do you know how large one quadrillion is?

Yes, it's 999,999,999,999,999,999 more than the number of brain cells possessed by the average Market Oracle writer.

17 posted on 08/09/2010 6:32:34 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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....And "SubPrime" was "contained"......

I have news for you, subprime mortgages are not derivatives.

A bank loan is not a derivative.

A covered call is a derivative, and selling covered calls is one of the safest investments you can make. In fact, it's safer than buying a stock without selling the call. But unless you know what derivatives are and how they can be used, you are fooled by all the references to big numbers in this article.

18 posted on 08/09/2010 6:33:29 PM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Can someone take the Market Oracle out back and shoot it, please?

Here, you do it... http://www.marketoracle.co.uk :)

19 posted on 08/09/2010 6:35:32 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
Derivatives work like this: I buy a fire insurance policy on your house... and hope it burns down.

The incentives for mischief here are enormous. I doubt it means the end of the world if they all blow up. More likely, Michelle Obama will only be able to take 7 vacations next summer instead of 8.

20 posted on 08/09/2010 6:38:37 PM PDT by Grim (That's why I'm voting for Sarah.)
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