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Every black hole may hold a hidden universe
New Scientist ^ | July 23, 2010 | Anil Ananthaswamy

Posted on 07/29/2010 5:26:22 AM PDT by decimon

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To: backwoods-engineer
Don't know about the 2nd (relativity and time dilation are well-established by experiment)

Not as I've been reading it for the last ten or fifteen years, but that's a really long story.

61 posted on 07/29/2010 11:50:17 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: backwoods-engineer
The whole shape of our galaxy may simply be governed by electric currents over thousand-light-year scales.

There's no maybe about it. In real life 99.something percent of the mass of the universe is in plasma form and the one thing which actually can agglomerate matter on significant scales is the Z-pinch effect of cosmic Birkeland currents which actually are on the kinds of scales you mention, and that in fact is why we find strings of galaxies.

62 posted on 07/29/2010 12:05:33 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Bigh4u2

Right (triangle). You made three good points, though. Oh, I could while away the hours...

...but I probably shouldn’t.


63 posted on 07/29/2010 12:24:46 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: varmintman; backwoods-engineer
What would be some good literature to recommend for the modern day, educated 'layman', with respect to these topics?

I studied under Finklestein at Georgia Tech in th 80's, and my modern physics knowledge extended into General and Special Relativity, having read Calder's Einstein's Universe, and things like The Dancing Wu Li Masters by one of Finlkestein's students Gary Zukav.

Are there any adequate modern day treatises for those of us from other disciplines who did not become professional physicists? Or is it all just confusion?

64 posted on 07/29/2010 12:38:00 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: sargon

Best place to start would be that link to the article about Dayton Miller and his experiments I posted above.


65 posted on 07/29/2010 1:12:42 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: decimon; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...
:') I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this though. Thanks decimon!


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66 posted on 07/29/2010 4:18:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: varmintman

This century will be dominated by quantum mechanics.


67 posted on 07/29/2010 4:56:11 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: decimon

Though how could the universe be expanding?, which is observationally verifiable from where we...think we´re in it. One might have similarly thought the interior of a black hole to be in a continual state of quantum collapse...that somehow becomes expansion?...

¨Can I buy some pot from you?¨


68 posted on 07/29/2010 5:01:30 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: UCANSEE2
[All that mass and energy has to go ‘somewhere’, and that ‘where’ is in building new Universes.]

Or, rather than flushing logic and reason down the multiverse shyte hole... we can take the simpler hypothetical path - that all that mass/energy is eventually, simply, radiated out of the black hole as thermal Hawking Radiation.

There is only one Spock, and he doesn’t have an evile twin with a beard.

69 posted on 07/29/2010 6:07:46 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy; Perdogg; Kevmo

Judging by the apparent trend in the winners of the Nobel in Physics, I’ll take a mad stab at it, and say that QM is going to fade out like a bad fart. :’) That’s too bad, because QE came from Richard Feynmann, and he was a lot of fun.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/


70 posted on 07/29/2010 6:54:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: LomanBill; UCANSEE2
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71 posted on 07/29/2010 7:03:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: decimon; lizol; SunkenCiv

This is just an interesting idea that requires a lot of assumption. But, that is the normal way of juggling with equations to see what would happen. More links at his home page: http://mypage.iu.edu/~nipoplaw/physics.html


72 posted on 07/30/2010 1:07:47 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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If the assumptions are reasonable or more or less correct, or wrong, that is another story.


73 posted on 07/30/2010 1:27:51 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith; decimon; SunkenCiv
[If the assumptions are reasonable or more or less correct, or wrong, that is another story.]
 
I think it's a typical case of "If you can't dazzle the grant committee wif brilliance, den baffle em' wit bullshyte".

74 posted on 07/30/2010 6:43:07 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: decimon

I want to see his equations before I start to buy this stuff.


75 posted on 07/30/2010 6:46:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz
I want to see his equations...

Not in this universe.

76 posted on 07/30/2010 6:57:51 AM PDT by decimon
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To: LomanBill

Sure, but the cost of theoretical physics is very small.


77 posted on 07/30/2010 9:09:11 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Lazamataz

“I want to see his equations before I start to buy this stuff.”

Try this http://mypage.iu.edu/~nipoplaw/publications_gravity.html


78 posted on 07/30/2010 9:11:27 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Thanks AdmSmith.


79 posted on 07/30/2010 5:04:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
I’ll buy the idea that there ain’t alternate universes. But no black holes? That’s tough to swallow.
I agree. Most theories regarding alternate universes aren't very testable... but the astronomical data regarding black holes (as well as the theory predicting them) is pretty well established, isn't it?

What do you think is the motivation behind the "no black holes" crowd?

80 posted on 07/31/2010 4:27:05 AM PDT by samtheman
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