Posted on 07/21/2010 5:39:02 AM PDT by Gomez
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All ms products are and will be security risks due to poor engineering practices.
Get a Mac, they just work well. Too bad apple is run by a bunch of commie libs, but most scientists are.
Macs have issues as well. But when you are only 5% of the market no one is targeting them unless there is a prize to be one. In which case then they are the first to be hacked.
one=won.
I don’t mind Apple writing my phone software, but I couldn’t imagine actually using a computer with that stuff on it.
PC software bends over backwards to give me what I want. Apple software is the opposite... in my experience anyway.
After 21 years of using a PC, I got bit by a virus one time... and that was an ANSI Bomb back in 1992.
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Our company is watching this exploit very carefully. Our IT security have been going batshit crazy for the last couple weeks. Some of our DMZ servers have this “fix” applied. Seems dumb to me.
Aside from an iPhone, Apple gets no money from me. Their computers are not better. (I have had Mac desktops and laptops at work for 14 years.) They’re just different. At home, I have a dual-boot: XP/Linux.
“All ms products are and will be security risks due to poor engineering practices.”
LOL yea right
“Get a Mac, they just work well.”
Unless you hold it wrong.
About 100,000 new pieces of malware are released every two days, focused on Windows.
Much of it is state sponsored.
And there are some very, very nasty things coming out of E. Europe. Russia. And China as well. Easier to prevent them from getting into your system, than trying to remove them after wards.
Recently ran DRIVE SCRUBBER in effort to remove a lot of bad stuff from a friends PC. Ran it twice and finally cleaned the crap out of it. PC had literally been shut down by it. Was amusing to watch the cursor go in opposite directions as the user intended ...
Why do you keep repeating statements that have been solidly refuted? The first to be hacked thing is a bit disingenuous too.
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Because they have NOT been solidly refuted (disclaimer I am a Professional Computer Scientist with a CompSci degree ).
An operating system should be like the old Volvos, gradually developed and constantly improved over time.
And the Mac's OS X is a certified UNIX operating system, sharing the same lineage as Oracle (Sun) Solaris, Open/Free BSD. In short it builds on over 30 years of solid experience with many users and deployed on many different types of machines (this is why it was easy for the Mac to jump from Power PC to Intel).
All MS products are developed in a closed bubble, with Windows 7 only being able to trace it's code base back to Windows NT (early 90s).
While its true that no Operating System should be blindly trusted to be secure, it is exceptionally easy for Windows systems to be hijacked, due to the poor design, lack of outside review, and general culture and attitude of Microsoft.
While you will hear about vulnerabilities of Mac OS X from time to time, they rarely if ever go beyond compromising a single user's account. MS will constantly blame 3rd party software (i.e. Adobe) for these kind of problems, but this just underscores MS incompetence, since its the job of an Operating System guarantee that bad programs don't allow bad things to happen.
Even when an MS system is bogged down with 3rd party anti-virus software, Intel hardware hacks ( NX bit ), hardware and software file walls in place, they still get compromised on a regular basis.
Any unbiased observer would have to admit that a company like MS with the vast amount of resources available to it, would have greatly minimized this problem if it really wanted to, especially since there have been many other systems which have solved this problem decades before.
By showing the architectural reasons for a relative lack of exploits in the wild, you are helping in the refutation. They think the only reason effective viruses aren't in the wild for OS X is because of low marketshare, making it not interesting to the malware writers. They forget that while OS X has 50+ million users, people wrote highly successful malware for pre-OS X MacOS, and for other product populations with numbers well under a million.
As far as "first to be hacked," the reference is to hacks that took weeks to develop in advance, which were then released in the second round of a hacking contest to win (Safari was the culprit all three times). Windows machines were hacked on-premises. All it showed was that Macs are more desirable than PCs.
And that makes OSX Secure how?
It easily refutes the insinuation you made with the "first to be hacked" comment. OS X was in fact not easier to hack, but harder since the OS X hack took weeks of advance work to pull off.
I was wondering how the Mac OSX is more secure crowd was going to respond to being the first hacked several times in a row. But what you are ignoring is that these exploits have been known for a long time and yet Apple has not fixed them. The fact that they hacked them in advance AND apple knew they were doesn't speak very well of their ability to patch products.
Before these contents the macbot mantra was it's unbreakable. Then after seeing they were the first hacked it's now but it took a lot of planning to make mac the first to be hacked.
Ok...whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. But it's obvious to anyone that is concerned about security over a company doing well--it's not secure.
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