Posted on 07/16/2010 6:32:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
What race is it that claimed elves taught their people their language way back before written history? I think I remember reading somewhere that JRR tolkien patterned his elven language after these peoples’ language. Seems to me they were people in the far north. but it coulda been the dwarven language too. I can’t remember.
Seems like there’s an awful lot of coincidences in our legends of the north. Take for instance our story of santa claus and the elves. Santa dresses like a lapplander, and has reindeer like them as well. And he has a team of expert craftsmen that are midgets. The lapplanders have a high incidence of short people. Tolkien’s concept of a dwarf was a short sturdy race with exceptional knowledge of rocks, minerals, metals, and tunneling, mining, blacksmithing, forging, and manufacturing...basically all things metal related. In other words, they were santa’s elves. these midget craftsmen created fantastic awe inspiring trinkets, jewelry, tools, and gadgets and santa was the traveling merchant/salesman that worked for the elves...that’s my version of the legend.
Then you post this thread on discoveries of what are effectively pre historic mansions or maybe workshops in the far north. Dude, that’s too many coincidences. I’m going to hypothesize the lapplanders are descended from an ancient advanced culture of midget geniuses...aka tolkien’s dwarves, aka santa’s elves.
I worked with a bunch of Finns from ASEA. They looked kind of funny and talked strange. Liked to drink though provided you bought. Nice people though even if the women were rather broad in the Beam.
Defiant points to SunkenCiv’s furtherance of socialism’s destruction of America by his adoption and defense of its corruption of the language.
:’) Tolkien once remarked that “Middle Earth is Europe”, and the destruction of Numenor (which is an important part of the backstory insofar as it lays the foundation for what goes on in the LoTR trilogy, and in the Hobbit, which was published first but started second or third) is clearly a whole-cloth tale from the various tales of vanishing submerged lands, such as Lyonesse, the Sinking Lands found in the Mabinogeon, Plato’s Atlantis story, and underwater finds which had been made even in Tolkien’s time.
His imaginary languages came out of his own linguistic studies; there’s a section in the Poetic Edda of the Norse from which Tolkien borrows the names of all the dwarves in the Hobbit, plus Gandalf, and four or more dwarf names found in “The Fellowship of the Ring” (Durin, founder of Moria, as well as three names found in Balin’s book when the Fellowship found Balin’s tomb). Gimli may have also been lifted from that section.
The various wee folk (leprechuans, gnolls, gnomes, dwarves, elves, etc) found in world cultures (although Tolkien only borrowed a few from European folk tradition) are implied to be a surviving fragment of a formerly more common group, and that can be said of the elves, dwarves, and even the Hobbits themselves in the Tolkien body of work.
Defiant continues to display his ignorance by equating science, scientists, and all non-Christians with socialism.
Don't be a useful idiot of those who wish to destroy us and the heritage you purport to study.
BCE and CE are secular terms for worldwide use, and in case you are not aware, the terms come from the original story — so if you have a problem with my not having changed the excerpt, take it up with the Moderators.
I first heard BCE and CE used around 1980 in a college theology class at this country's most renowned Catholic University. I recall thinking it was stupid then, and later learned that it came from the same marxists who gave us deconstruction analysis and other gramsci-ist methods of destroying the underlying foundations of Western civilization. I refuse to use the terms, and when the usage is particularly stupid, I might point it out, as I did when the author of your article chose to refer to dates as "3000 years before the present era", accepting the starting point for our calendar as the birth of Christ while persisting in a refusal to acknowledge just what, pray tell, created our "present era". It was more annoying than the usual mere use of "BCE", and I simply pointed out the author's twisted use of language.
That caused you to appoint yourself the "ridicule" police, which is more Alinsky than Gramsci. If you are conservative, instead of just posting interesting archaeology articles on a conservative site, you should examine why it bothers you when people point this issue out. It bothers me more that marxists have coopted our language. Maybe upon reflection, you will realize that you should not participate in our history's destruction.
Wahkpa Chu'gn Archaeological Site
I toured this place yesterday and found it pretty interesting. It is a place where the Native Americans ran buffalo off of a cliff and then butchered and processed the animals. They think there are remains of hundreds of thousands of animals across the site dating back 2000 years. They have 4 pits that have been dug by archaeologists that reveal the layers and the three different peoples that used the site. If you are ever traveling through the northern plains of Montana I suggest you stop off for an hour and a half and take the tour.
Neat.
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