Posted on 07/14/2010 11:38:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
I’m not working with that kind of music. Again, this is not one size fits all. I’m not remotely talking about Lady Gaga.
You don’t know what you’re talking baout — you don’t know how much those bands are being paid, if they are meking a profit, or if they have tour support — so of what value is your information?
It is really irritating when people think that by clicking onto the internet they can come up with solutions to a business and field they are not in. Why don’t you tell me your field so I can find 2 second internet solutions for you?
You don’t get it at. The White Stripes went through a process and became huge. Once you are huge you can do whatever you want. I’m talking about groups that have awards and national recognition but who aren’t huge. It’s like the difference between being middle class and being Donald Trump.
I’ve been to Austin. I know some of these acts. I also know the venues. They don’t pay enough to cover the expenses of getting there. You have no idea what goes into setting up a tour. Many of these acts have corporate sponsorship and record label tour support.
The White Stripes toured and were on an out of state label before they “became huge”.
They didn’t even have a contract with their label so they could freely take their albums to Virgin and rerelease them under a corporate imprint (just as New Order had done before them).
Did the songs “suddenly become better” because the industry owned their copyrights instead of the performers outright?
Why did radio shun them for years before they “made it”?
“Wrong” label.
Yet that same label released records by Hole, Beck, RL Burnside and other.
Been going to shows in Houston and Austin for 20 years.
Your denials fall flat.
You said that bars don’t even charge covers.
thanks — next time, ask them how much it cost to rehearse the group for 3 weeks (that’s rehearsal space PLUS paying the band) how much it cost to get there, how much the hotel cost, and how the band is being paid.
People don’t mind paying for food and cars and clothing, but they think that music shoudl be free.
the record label pays for the publishing (the songwriter).
Amateurs do it that way. The world of professional music is not a hobby.
I said most or many bars/pubs don’t charge.
You may have going to the shows, but you don’t know how much the venues pay the bands and what the costs are. I have put together, booked and run several national tours. How many have you run?
I’ve done my share and known what others have dealt with.
The venues I know make enough on bar that the door (sometimes minus $50 for a soundman) goes to the promoter/bands to divide up. Not every show even has a promoter “outside” of the bar management.
$8-15 a head is common. Usually local/regional bands for support acts.
The labels put out the albums and get press for the records. Some labels like YepRoc and Bloodshot do more to hype their bands’ tours. But the ones I’ve seen are lucky to get generic posters from their label to send out to the venues.
But through that process I’m sure they were filling club sized venues. People will go to see duos.
The Black Keys definitely were as I’ve seen them twice in one, soon to again.
And once you move it to trios, there are a lot of those who are successful and can fill all kinds of venues.
But through that process I’m sure they were filling club sized venues. People will go to see duos.
The Black Keys definitely were as I’ve seen them twice in one, soon to again.
And once you move it to trios, there are a lot of those who are successful and can fill all kinds of venues.
>>Amateurs do it that way. The world of professional music is not a hobby.<<
I understand. That is why I said “softball” and not “baseball”. ;)
We follow country music and love going to shows. I can’t imagine how hard it must be to put those together.
Keith Urban
Sugarland
Lady A
George Strait
Kenny Chesney
Gary Allen
Tim McGraw/Faith Hill
Zac Brown Band (my new favorite)
Brooks & Dunn
Martina
Are just a few we have seen several times
that still doesn’t account for getting there and lodging —
I know a musician who worked with Dizzy Gillespie for years. He had never been to New Orleans, and could never understand how it was that if N.O. was the birthplace of jazz, the most famous jazz musician alive never played there.
Anser: there isn’t a venue there that could pay for the show, even if a full house is assumed.
The cost of touring is enormous if you’re not high school students sleeping in your father’s band.
You don’t know how much money was poured into getting them there. You just have no idea. It’s thousands and thousands of dollars to make them marketable and to give them name recognition.
It’s as if you were to make a type of breakfast cereal tomorrow. You wouldn’t be able to get it onto the shelves of the stores without paying for placement.
I never said there wasn’t money involved. I said people would pay to see duos.
I never said there wasn’t money involved. I said people would pay to see duos.
You assume that everyone wants to be shelved in Best Buy and Target.
Some find a level of success in the independently owned stores from coast to coast.
Not everyone looks to Entertainment Weekly to see who Big Media is pimping as the flavor of the week.
And most of the indie labels don’t have the money to PAY their artists to go on the road.
Why do you assume that I assume that?
That is the opposite of what I want.
So you are quite wrong.
I am working with very original and unique artists>
But getting into the independently owned stores is
more difficult than getting into Target, and without
a concerted advertisng campaign is useless.
I know of several indie labels that give tour support.
You said that re booking national tours you’ve done “your share”.
How many is that?
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