Posted on 07/05/2010 4:26:23 AM PDT by sodpoodle
Yeah, I had read through some of SM and Bob’s posts and can understand why he would leave. He wasn’t in lock step with SM’s witch trial against Terri. Sorry, but it could have been Terri. It could have been Kaine. It could have been Desiree. It could have been Dede. It could have been some perv that showed up at the fair. Or it could have been none of them. No one on these boards really knows.
I wasn’t going to go down this road but what the heck. When did Kaine and Terri get married? How long have they known each other? He has made comments how great she used to be before the PPD and that now she’s changed. I’m wondering if it’s really PPD or a controlling husband that brought about the change. She used to be a teacher but now she’s a SAHM. It seems she gets all her errands run before Kaine gets home from work and doesn’t leave the home in the afternoons to pick Kyron up from school so he rides the bus so that she is home. Yes, of course, that’s probably the same with many SAHMs but I get a feeling something is different in that household. She’s supposed to volunteer at school, but again that can be accomplished before Kaine gets home. That might also explain Kaine saying he and the baby went to the bus stop and Terri followed. Is he the dictator of the house and she follows the rules? That might be why he “claims” he didn’t know about the doctor’s appointment and if they had a landscaper because those are mundane duties that are expected to be done in the background and below his pay grade. He’s done media interviews (with HIS rules), but I don’t recall Terri doing any.
Do we know why he and Desiree divorced?
Apparently, Terri was the one who drove Kyron to his weekend visits to Desiree’s and she was supposed to drive him there that evening. But Desiree said that her first thought was Terri did the deed. Seriously, if you really thought the step mom was that bad and your husband was LE then you would have stepped in a long time ago and would never let the evil step mom drive him for the weekend visits. Was this chore also below Kaine’s pay grade? Odd how Kaine now has custody of both his children - wife #1’s son, wife #2’s daughter, and that wife #2’s son by another man is out of his house and living with grandparents.
I also find it odd that Kaine claims the old high school group (including Cook) was trying to reunite for 6-8 months but never saw Cook until after June 4th. And then immediately Cook and Terri are having a thing. What are the odds of two totally wacko sex fiends meet at the absolute worst time possible and where did they think this would leave Kaine? Maybe I lead a sheltered life but the only why I can wrap my mind around it is if Kaine had orchestrated it.
Ok, excuse me while I clean up after falling into the mud slinging pit...
You know, though, that it occurred to me that MAYBE the real reason this all looks so very strange is simply because of Kyron's stepdad. The stepdad is a police detective in another Oregon county, which MIGHT be why the LEOs feel so comfortable using the bioparents as their mouthpiece?
Really now, how many missing kids are associated with a police detective???
AND, too, that's another reason why I feel that EVERYBODY should be investigated --- for instance, for all we know Tony busted someone, maybe one of the illegal alien gang members, and this kidnapping was "pay back."
Ya know?
However, if people with NO LE background & NO LE experience can conger up so many possibilities, surely people trained in the field are also considering such NON-TERRI possibilities?
I think what is most distressful about this case to me, an anonymous viewer, is that none of the parents seem to act like their kid is missing --- evidentally LE has said that their silence at the start is uncommon, but NOT unheard of --- but we, the general public, would never know that, because we only see people who behave DISTRAUGHT in the manner of the Holloway & Twitty extended families.
Let me know if you ever happen to run across that ROB at another forum, he's a very thoughtful poster and has years of experience with these missing persons' cases; he was so able to articulate things I find difficult to put into words.
Perhaps the pc on Tuesday will start to clarify matters?
Yes, and that that's a much better scenario than dragging in a handful of outsiders (aka Terri's friends) who have no stake in any of it.
none of the parents seem to act like their kid is missing
Bingo! They don't. Sure, there's the tears for the cameras but the language they use just isn't pulling at my heart strings. Where's the reaching out to Kyron (that goes back to the funeral mood and that it was all over with that I mentioned earlier)? Where's the anger? Where's the outrage that someone could do something to their child? Where's the demanding that something MORE be done by LE, the media, and the public? But all they do is back stab each other.
Something else I've been wondering about is Kiara. Sure, she's 18 mos. old but my kids were well aware of everything going on around them and talking a blue streak at that age. Other kids I've known that age could also answer questions about what they did that day or where they went and what they had for lunch. Surely, LE has asked Kiara??? Surely, Terri would know that Kiara might spill the beans IF there were beans that could be spilled. P.S. Check your mail.
Quite a few of the smiley face teens have family in LE.
It was one of the odd coincidences about those so-called
accidental drownings.
I didn't know that. Earlier this year, when a Canadian nuclear scientist disappeared, I read quite a bit for a few days at online boards about the smiley face murders, it's bizarre that I didn't run across such anomalous info like this, back then.
Here I'd been presuming that Terri went to Albertson's to pick up a bottle of benedral so that Baby K could sleep through her teething induced earaches.
Well ... among the five million idiosyncracies, oddites & even coincidences in this case, I guess the thing that is the most peculiar to me is that the parents are ... being ... bullies.
Bullies. Plain and simple.
I remember well how Beth Holloway was loathed & hated & despised in Aruba, but I don't recall her ever being a Public Bully.
It really kind of horrifies me, as if they feel this is appropriate while NEVER ever giving a "shout out" to their son, nor pleading with the kidnappers . . . . goodness knows how they behave in the privacy of their homes.
I wish that Desiree would get a highly reputable skilled press agent, ya know???
It was bad enough for them on national TV to go after the Wicked Stepmother, whom all had deemed in the past to be a capable house nanny, house cleaner, chauvier, cook, tutor, school volunteer, etc/etc/etc ---- but to publically condemn a private citizen for allegedly refusing a LDT and getting an attorney - and for having advised Terri to lawyer up, to publically condemn her and to threaten her with a civil lawsuit ????????
I feel really sorry for little Kyron.
Ya know???
Is it truly possible that the cops are advising to act like bullies on national TV????
Frankly, I can't believe that Baby-K saw anything.
Do you post at Websleuths? I just read it, I don’t think I can even post there, due to my email. I have been there as often since the massive purge that got rid of a lot of my favorite posters.
I forgot about Scared Monkeys, I read it during the beginning of Natalee Holloway, but have been there in a long time.
Do you post at Websleuths? I just read it, I don’t think I can even post there, due to my email. I haven’t been there as often since the massive purge that got rid of a lot of my favorite posters.
I forgot about Scared Monkeys, I read it during the beginning of Natalee Holloway, but have been there in a long time.
Thanks, I didn’t know that about the smiley face murders. They claim there were about 40 murders but who knows if there were more. And that brings us back to Minnesota - - - and the priests and the boys - - - and Josh Guimond and Jacob Wetterling, huh???
Not related to the smilies (maybe, maybe not) but the Jacob Wetterling thread over at WS (I haven’t been over there lately) is wondering if DR will have a job next school year now that he’s been named a POI. Also, here’s another time line of sorts that is good - http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/07/jacob-wetterling-abduction-case-person-of-interest-dan-rassier-in-2004-news-interview-as-unnamed-suspect/
Pennie - Me, too. If the grocery store didn’t have the medication Terri was looking for, she’d stop in at Albertson’s. I’m also thinking Kiara didn’t have an ear infection, per say, but her ears were bothering her from the teething (big difference) so after soothing the teeth and a nap she’d be ok at the gym. She was well enough for Kaine to put her shoes on her and go to the bus stop. However, IF there was something sinister going on then she needed to be asleep during it... but still, and hour and a half just doesn’t leave much time to do the deed, imo.
I was just reading in a thread at WS that in the immediate aftermath of Kyron's disappearance that ALL searches were done strictly within a 4 mile radius.
The poster was saying that it seems that obviously, from the very start that LE was looking at Terri, and ONLY at Terri.
The poster was shocked at the limited nature of the searching, because a child predator could have travelled half way across the nation with Kyron, while the LE had only moved onto another few square feet.
I better not read anything more about this case until it goes to trial.
LOL
I won't even read any more threads about Terri's timeline, they are just AWFUL threads, just tediously awful.
Someone will accurately state, NO it was not an infectious earache; it was teething with earache which occurs around a year & a half, Baby-K's age. AND that some children fall asleep instantly in the car. AND the arguments!! YIKES.
I mean the arguing and the dissention over this, and there are REAMS of bytes upon bytes.
"Only infants fall asleep in cars!!! NO daycare would ever take in a sick toddler!!! Baby-K could NEVER sleep in a car seat on bumpy rural roads!!! How come the groceries didn't spoil!!!!"
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.........
I think too, and I do not mean to be mean, but really, honestly speaking, there's something strange with the adults, it's very offputting, it's not natural; I wonder how & where they all met initially??? But we'll never know.
The ONE good thing is that attorney Houze is said to be stellar, absolutely spectacular, so maybe he can hire some competent P.I.s to go locate Kyron.
There have been other mass bannings there, too, over the years, but I don't recall the details, but every once in a while, LOL, you'll come across a new little messageboard, and there might be a dozen people all sputtering about WS.
LOL
My fav board to lurk is SM, but if Rob isn't going to post there anymore, I doubt I'll read it much; however, it's usually got lots more info that In Session boards and seems more up to date. I prefer both SM and IS to WS, but I don't post on any of them.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/printthread.php?t=370705&pp=40&page=15
You know, the night that we first heard all about Dede Spicher, it was pretty interesting how IS s-l-o-w-e-d down, waaaaaaaay down.
It had been chugging along with dozens of pages per day, but suddenly that evening, it was like....... wow, only 7 pages in the last FIVE HOURS???
So, very seriously, I now wonder if the innumerable ongoing flame wars were actually provoked by REAL LIFE Terri friends & supporters.
LOL
Whoooooo knows?
NOBODY. :)
You all remember that strange press event which made no sense to the public, where 2 Oregonian newspapers were kicked out because they wouldn't agree to the "Ground Rules"???
Remember?
And also remember how everything stated was to be entirely OFF THE RECORD??
Well.... do you suppose that the off-the-record stuff that therefore was never reported upon was that Kyron was FOUND?
Hmmm????
Have you ever heard of anything remotely like this ever happening before, about ANYTHING, much less a missing child????
What could it mean?
Will any of us ever learn what the compliant press was told by the Youngs & Kaine????
EVER???
Does the press that was vetted to attend, do they happen to know, PERCHANCE, that Kyron is found & he's alive, OR do they happen to know that his remains were located, but they promised to not report this????
WHAT is going on, and HOW the he|| can this occur in modern America??? Huh?
Kyron Horman's Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010 by James Pitkin
First came Horman's "ground rules," as he described them. No cameras. No recordings.
Everything was off the record and couldn't be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.....
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/
WHAT is the press hiding from us, and WHY are they hiding it? Any ideas? HOW could the press agree to such conditions & stipulations???? What do you think is going on?
The *off record news conference* was held on Wednesday was June 30th* When did the news of the MFH on Kaine’s life break?
IMHO The frustration of not being told everything that LE is doing (or knows) is causing blogger backlash speculation.
The statements by family members that *Kyron is alive* and *the third party* etc., makes me think perhaps he is being held by someone - but they don’t know who or where and THEY HAVE NOT FOUND HIM. YET!! And still no AMBER ALERT!
I am emotionally exhausted - imagine how the family feels!
I used to think that the more who knew the secret, the more chance of it leaking, but now we have an usurper in the WH and the media put him there.
The murder for hire plot was in the restraining order and so were the revelations about the sexting between TMH and Mike Cook.
At first it seemed to me that the MSM was trying to make it appear that COOK had released the private RO to the press, but I don't believe that anymore --- either some rogue LEO did so, or else Kaine was responsible for it being leaked to the press.
Perhaps the LEOs seriously believed that were the MFH & romance life of Terri Horman made public, so that she'd be trashed from coast to coast, that she'd confess????
Pretty weird expectation..... if LE is behind the leak, then they need some new profilers, post haste.
But maybe LE did not intentionally leak this, and frankly, I see no reason why Terri or Michael would do so?????
I wasn't following the case in the beginning, but EARLY on, there was a water search, and one of the local news outlets ran a big news alert that the divers had found a body.
Again, it was a "SOURCE" - this time the source was said to be a diver.
The news outlet retracted the story, said NO body had been retrieved.
But strange thing happened - the search was HALTED at the same time.
Someday I might did up old threads that transpired that day.
At this point - I am sure of only one thing:
Kyron Horman is not with his father, Kaine Horman or with his mother, Desiree Young.
take care HP
sod:)
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