Led Zeppelin sued for alleged plagiarism of Dazed and Confused (Jake Holmes claims authorship)

Guardian UK ^ | Wednesday 30 June 2010 12.11 BST | Sean Michaels

[ntmxx]

First, never let it be said he is not due some form of royalty or fee, Zeppelin improved on art, doing it differently, provided a value to society which they prefered, so you really think this matters 40 years later;

…uhm how does your thinking apply to Kelo vs. New London Development Corp

[The Unknown Republican]

Buddy...we aren’t talking eminent domain here...we are talking straight up Intellectual Property Theft by private citizens. Not related one bit.

But on the subject of Kelo...yeah, it’s crap.

[dennisw]

I’m pretty sure I saw the Yardbirds/Page play this live because Jimmy Page whipped out the ol violin bow and started sawing away on his guitar and the crowd went wild. One feature of the live Dazed and Confused was the violin bow which mightily impressed the stoned hordes. In fact you had to be high to dream up the stunt in the first place

I was always a staunch Yardbirds fan (the local pizzeria jukebox had their singles) but unfortunately only got to see that last corrupted edition with Jimmy Page and no Jeff Beck

[ntmxx]

Okay, again, I believe he should get some form or royalty or fee for his contribution; if any.

I can appreciate intellectual property, yet when a creator has limitations, this type of issue may be more about ethics than theft. While the words are different, can the same be said of the different instruments regarding notes, tones or other variants? I believe there were no drums in Jake’s version, or does this boil down to copying a 3, 5, 7 cord riff. Such as Jake was that good, as Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple doing “Smoke on the Water.”

Now if Jake could argue he was as good as Bonham, Plant, Page or Jones rolled into a whole product; and that he could show he was directly harmed (because I think Jake went toward different creative endeavors) then I might be persuaded on this.

[a fool in paradise]

Speaking of which, when WILL the Yardbirds stage a reunion show someplace?

[dennisw]

Good photo of Relf and Beck. A version of the Yardbirds tours lead by Jim McCarty and Chris Dreja. Some of their new versions of old Yardbird tunes are very good.

[Scythian]

These are all documented, I like zep but they ripped off a ton of music, here are the songs side by side, you’ll be shocked !!

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThdTAWQFAQ

Honestly, they took probably 50% of their songs from other people without giving them credit, give those a listen, you’ll be totally suprised man

[a fool in paradise]

That shot is from the movie Blow Up. At one point it was proposed that they would use the Velvet Underground but Warhol and the band never did go to England.

The Yardbirds play a knock off of Train Kept A Rollin’ in that clip (I think they changed the lyrics for the film).

[Poser]

As Martin Mull once sang, “it’s just licks off of records that I’ve learned.”

[Scythian]

Oh, and Part 3, even Stairway to heaven was ripped off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uMQDlKn8g

[dennisw]

The Yardbirds play a knock off of Train Kept A Rollin’ in that clip (I think they changed the lyrics for the film).>>>>>>>>>

Yes same music but the title was now “Stroll On” and with new lyrics. That movie was very happening and hip back then. I liked it a lot though it seems lame and dated today. It has some great scenes. How did pretty boy David Hemmings get so bloated later on? Probably drinking with the other actors well known for drinking like Richard Harris and Peter O’Toole

And Jane Birkin was in it. And another babe in a very wide knit top practically half nekkid I must look her up.

[RetroSexual]

I can relate. I've had that bastard Stephen Foster in court for years, trying to force him to admit that he plagiarized "Oh! Susannah" from my song "Susannah, you Ho!"

So far my attorneys aren't getting anywhere but we're in this thing for the long haul. Justice will be served.

[dennisw]

http://digilander.libero.it/guido_1953/pics/x-blow-up/blow-up-36.jpg -— Sarah Miles near nekkid in Blowup

[dennisw]

The other Led Zep ripoffs pale in comparison to Jake Holmes’ “Dazed & Confused”. Holmes should have been after them ages ago.

[Mr. Blonde]

Of course ZZ Top didn’t credit John Lee Hooker for La Grange either. I don’t think you are going to find any band that is clean in this regard.