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Custer's last flag: Little Bighorn banner for sale
London Telegraph ^ | 6/27/2010 | Tom Leonard

Posted on 06/27/2010 7:36:34 PM PDT by Saije

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To: Saije

I enjoyed the book and the movie ‘We Were Soldiers’. Especially when Sgt. Maj. Plumley (Sam Elliot) said “Custer was a wussie. You ain’t.” to Lt. Col. Moore (Mel Gibson). In a replay of that our Congress is the ‘wussies’ now, specifically the RINO’s and anyone against this country.

The Little Big Horn was a classic failure of intelligence. Others would include the Israeli 6 Oct 1973 Yom Kippor surprise attack (for Egypt and Syria) the Gorelick Wall precipitating 9/11 (for America).

The 7th Cavalry fought well in the Pusan Perimeter in Korea as well as at LZ XRAY in Viet Nam. This article was interesting to say the least. I too thought the flag was the property of the US Government (as another comment said), the US Army in particular, and as such should be returned to them. If sold the flag and the monies received for it should be confiscated by the Government. (I would not condone this action in many circumstances but this one for sure) Free enterprise, for me, has no place here. As far as I am concerned the Detroit Institute is just SOOL!


21 posted on 06/27/2010 8:57:23 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Saije

That flag should be in the Smithsonian or at West Point Academy. Hopefully the winning bidder will donate it to an appropriate museum.


22 posted on 06/27/2010 9:02:46 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: Flag_This

I’ve always thought that Custer planned a pincer movement of some kind where Reno attacked on one end of the camp and Custer would attack from the other end.

It seems as though Custer refused to accept the fact that the Indian village he was attacking was freakin’ huge - until it was too late.

It seems as though Custer, at least once, went down to the river in an attempt to ford it but was turned away and headed back up to what was referred to the ridgeline he had been following as he tried to find the other end of the Indian camp. It was up along that area where he was finally encircled.

There was a study done back in the late 80’s or early 90’s that examined archeological evidence found on the battle field. They noticed certain marks on shell casings that seemed to indicate that Custer’s men experienced a greater than expected number of shell misfires and jammed carbines that led to a decline in fire disclipline.

Just a theory, that’s all...


23 posted on 06/27/2010 9:09:24 PM PDT by MplsSteve (Don't Be Stupak!)
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To: Flag_This

“And what was the point in sending Benteen off on a wild goose chase?”

Custer’s point was twofold: (1) He wanted to block any attempt of the hostiles to flee toward the immediate south; (2) He did not want a repeat of the Washita fight which nearly cost him his hair and those of his command (in attacking Black Kettle’s camp on the Washita in 1868 Custer failed to determine the existence of several other, larger camps nearby, and when those camps got wind of the attack on Black Kettle’s band they came out in force and could very well have wiped out Custer’s command — as they did Major Elliott’s squad earlier that day — had Custer not held a lot of women and children from Black Kettle’s band hostage).


24 posted on 06/27/2010 9:10:51 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: NVDave

“I personally can’t understand why someone wpuld cough up millions for this artifact.”

Well, I’ve been an avid student of the LBH fight for some fifty years now, and if I had that kind of money I’d buy it, and would leave it to the museum in my will.


25 posted on 06/27/2010 9:14:45 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Saije; pandoraou812
The 7th Cavalry surprised the Indians, led by Sitting Bull, in their village only to realise they had considerably underestimated the enemy's strength.

Yeah, the Sioux were shocked. Shocked I tell you. LOL

26 posted on 06/27/2010 9:41:01 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Saije

Roster 7th U.S. Cavalry Regiment’s Little Big Horn Operations “personnel in combat” 25-26 June 1876

http://www.us7thcavalry.com/roster_lbh.htm


27 posted on 06/27/2010 9:45:31 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: MplsSteve
“There was a study done back in the late 80’s or early 90’s that examined archaeological evidence found on the battle field. “

I've seen that a couple of times and it was a great documentary. It would have been so cool to be a part of that going around with metal detectors finding bullets and shell casings.

28 posted on 06/27/2010 9:56:14 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Saije

These days it may well be bought by the Lakotas or Cheyennes and displayed in a casino.


29 posted on 06/27/2010 10:01:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Ciexyz

You do know that the problem with books and their revision of history is not always accurate? I’m not really sure what happened here...and probably never will. Factual accounts seem to go by the wayside... You have to believe what you want to by reading several accounts of the action.

It is really a shame that our education system (including the publication of books) has become so inaccurate or just plain false... Sign of the times I suppose...


30 posted on 06/27/2010 10:16:57 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: max americana

The History Channel many years ago had an Oli Stone tin-foil hat episode where Grant was jealous of Custer so he gave his intel to the Indians and had him whacked.

I’m somewhat curious as to why President Grant, in the last months of his Presidency, would be jealous of Custer? To me, something does not add up.


31 posted on 06/27/2010 10:22:27 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: tenthirteen

I saw one of those shows about the Battle of the Little Bighorn on History Channel also. Some pinhead “expert” had come to the conclusion that all of the soldiers didn’t fight on the hill as is always depicted but that they all ran away down the draws and washes like a bunch of cowards. He came to this conclusion because that’s where he found many empty cartridge casings. I’m no “expert” but I have spent some time out looking for arrowheads. If you throw artifacts like that on the side of a hill and come back 150 years later to find them, only a pinhead would look for them on the side of the hill where they were thrown. It’s a weather/gravity thing. The clown on History Channel didn’t seem very familiar with the phenomenon.


32 posted on 06/27/2010 10:45:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! Had enough "history" yet?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

There was a Twilight Zone show..a national guard tank crew was taken back in time to 1876..with the tank..

They joined the battle..but left the tank behind.


33 posted on 06/28/2010 12:25:54 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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>>> They joined the battle..but left the tank behind.

Everybody understands soldiering in the decades between the Civil War and WW1 was a tankless occupation.


34 posted on 06/28/2010 1:13:53 AM PDT by tlb
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To: NVDave

Libby worked hard to protect the legacy of her husband after the battle. As an aside, she owned the table which Grant and Lee used to sign the surrender at the Maclean house at Appomattox Courthouse. I’ll bet it would bring as much as the flag.


35 posted on 06/28/2010 1:57:54 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Saije
"It's not a piece of decoration. It's a sacred relic, people died for this flag" said David Redden, a Sotheby's vice chairman.

He said, as he opened the bidding...

36 posted on 06/28/2010 3:13:10 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Saije

The Brits better get out a map, while the Little Bighorn battlefield is in Montana the sacred Lakota Black Hills are in South Dakota.


37 posted on 06/28/2010 5:59:06 AM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Deagle
You do know that the problem with books and their revision of history is not always accurate?

Do you feel that the books I mentioned, A Terrible Glory by James Donovan, and The Last Stand by Nathanial Philbrick, are not accurate in their historical representation? If so, how so?

38 posted on 06/28/2010 9:24:08 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: MplsSteve
"I’ve always thought that Custer planned a pincer movement of some kind where Reno attacked on one end of the camp and Custer would attack from the other end."

I think that is the general consensus, but I thought there was testimony from Reno's men that they could see Custer on a ridge waving his hat - at the time, Reno was in full retreat. If those stories are true, Custer must have known Reno's attack was a failure when Custer was still 2 or 3 miles from where he meet his end.

I thought Reno was told by Custer to attack and he (Custer) would support him. Even Reno wasn't clear on what "support" was supposed to mean because he anticipated Custer was going to follow him in the attack.

39 posted on 06/28/2010 9:49:46 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: ought-six
"had Custer not held a lot of women and children from Black Kettle’s band hostage"

I know some think that was Custer's plan - if he could get into a position to separate the women and children from the warriors, he would then be able to intimidate the warriors into returning to the reservation. Maybe that was the point of Reno's attack - The warriors would focus on attacking Reno while the women and children would flee in the opposite direction. It would have been nice if Custer had bothered to inform Reno and some of his other officers who survived what "the plan" was.

40 posted on 06/28/2010 10:00:15 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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