Jacques Vallee: Of Crop Circles, meme wars and web-based flypaper

Boing Boing ^ | June 21, 2010 | Jacques Vallee

[Larry Lucido]

My theory is, if people can make snow angels, maybe angels make crop people (that don’t necessarily look like people). Just to jack with us.

[Larry Lucido]

Direct link for those not wishing to vist a, um, well, here is the link.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/humblegunner/pimpbusters.jpg

[hennie pennie]

>>> "...The curious thing is that, in cases when it has been possible to reverse-engineer these links, they were often found to originate within the intelligence community or people close to it. The purpose may be to divert attention from real projects, to confuse an adversary or even to release new ideas to test society's reactions. In such situations the community of UFO believers is used only as a convenient resonating chamber: Since the content can never be checked or the origin verified, there is absolutely nothing a researcher can do with the alleged information......" <<<<

*ping*

[Larry Lucido]

I had a watch spring do that once. It was really hard to get it back inside the case.

[Eastbound]

Great pix, Joe. Thanx. Nice crop circles too.;>

[shibumi]

"All your double talk will never replace pure logic. Just show me the pix. I don’t need all the bull$hit!"

(I say! A bit testy tonight, aren't we?)

[Quix]

Your pseudo ‘logic’ is far from pure.

That CORRELATION IS ****NOT**** CAUSATION is one of the first lessons in scientific thinking and understanding.

TYPE I VS TYPE II ERRORS ARE FAR FROM BS. Given that you’re so addicted to a TYPE II ERROR as though it were benign, I’d think you’d show more understanding of the two types of errors.

You have failed to deal with the simple logic that

IF, AS YOU

ASSUME,

THE TRAMLINES ARE ESSENTIAL

TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF CIRCLES

THEN YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION

for the 100% lack of footprints in muddy fields fresh after a heavy rain where a fresh crop circle has appeared.

Your pseudo-’logic’ has ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION for that.

Your assertions are the hollow ones on this score.

[Quix]

Those with a gross lack of information often are.

[Eastbound]

"(I say! A bit testy tonight, aren't we?)"

I'll say. When I'm forced to listen to broken records I get that way sometimes.

[shibumi]

Well, here’s a suggestion to sooth your nerves.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=language+truth+and+logic+ayer&tag=yahhyd-20&index=aps&hvadid=37462095511&ref=pd_sl_30icwn2z54_e

The link is to a book I was forced to read back in Philosophy 101, with the Rev, Dr, David Burrell at Notre Dame. It’s called “Language, Truth and Logic” by A.J. Ayer.

You might also want to look up the Latin phrase “cum hoc ergo propter hoc.”

[Quix]

The broken record of

“Show me the pics?”

[SunkenCiv]

:’)

[Eastbound]

Okay, you probably have a degree if you finished school. Myself as well, in applied science, an academic degree. If we’re gonna play your dick is longer than mine, let’s hear from Quix.

[shibumi]

I’m not playing at all (and it is, by the way.) I was just making a sincere suggestion for your edification.

If you’re not interested, it matters not a whit to me.

[Quix]

My PhD is in Clinical Psych.

My dissertation collected massive amounts of data and analyized 4 variables out of more than a thousand collected. Haven’t ever gotten back to that wealth of data, sadly. Life raced along.

My dissertation looked at constructs and . . . weights folks give various things.

I have studied UFO’s etc. since 1962. Globalism since 1965.

I had a relative who worked adjacent to UFO’s coming and going routinely from an adjacent site near the famous Nev area.

I’ve met and talked at some length with Linda Moulton Howe, one of the world’s top experts on cropcircles . . . who lives in Albuquerque.

[shibumi]

"Impressive!"

[Eastbound]

Thanks for the reply. One of these days the circle makers are going to honor a request I made years ago. Look for a Mickey Mouse crop circle. They made a menorah. A Mickey Mouse would be another nice change.

[Eastbound]

Hey! Wow! Really! No tramlines. I’m a believer. ;>

[Quix]

I’m not at all sure of that.

Just doggedly persistent.

A lot of success depends on showing up . . . and being persistent.

[Quix]

I think a US farmer made a Mickey Mouse . . . using tractor etc.

I think there were no tramlines in it, as well.

Corn doesn’t tend to have them in this country.