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Glenn Beck Should Revere Theodore Roosevelt
Newsmax ^ | 5/3/10 | Christopher Ruddy

Posted on 05/04/2010 5:29:11 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden

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I like Beck. I think his TV show is the best one on Fox. However, he has been very wrong on TR and I'm glad someone in the media has finally stepped out and said something about it. If you look at the list of "progressive" things TR was for, the only one I would disagree with would be the income tax. I think that if TR could see today what has become of the income tax, he would probably be against it also.

I like to think that if TR were alive today, he would be right out front at a tea party event pounding his fist and railing against this current government.

1 posted on 05/04/2010 5:29:11 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Beck’s right on this one. Roosevelt was a progressive. He deeply distrusted business and worked hard to move the Republican party to the left. I’m not sure why Newsmax is ignoring his record.


2 posted on 05/04/2010 5:35:00 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Unfortunately, TR let the Tax genie out of the bottle with his lack of foresight and his childish, idealistic “progressivism.”. It doesn’t matter how much he might regret his mistake; we’re now condemned to pay the price.

If it were up to me, we’d erase his face from Rushmore and replace it with Ronald Reagan’s.


3 posted on 05/04/2010 5:36:32 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: BfloGuy

Did you read the article? Are you against child labor laws? Is that being socialist?


4 posted on 05/04/2010 5:36:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I agree, mostly, with Beck.

TR, far more than Lincoln, who is so often blamed, is responsible for the idea that the government is responsible for fixing our problems. While TR no doubt would be appalled by today’s intrusive government, once the idea has been accepted that “when people hurt, the government must move,” there is no logical stopping point short of full totalitarisnism.

After Lincoln, and especially after the end of Reconstruction, the federal government returned to a limited role not utterly dissimilar to what it was before the War.

Since TR the federal government has continually expanded in both size and mission. Even presidents like Coolidge and Reagan were able only to slow its growth, not reverse it.


5 posted on 05/04/2010 5:39:28 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I can't stand Glenn Beck, and I have no idea why this loud mouth would earn 42 million dollars annually.

I also have no idea why anyone at FR would care one way or another what any of these media billionaires has to say.

6 posted on 05/04/2010 5:39:53 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
For a (not so pretty) look at TR I strongly recommend ...

7 posted on 05/04/2010 5:40:19 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: IronJack
"Unfortunately, TR let the Tax genie out of the bottle with his lack of foresight and his childish, idealistic “progressivism.”."

I think a lot of freepers would like to see either a flat tax or national sales tax implemented with the elimination of the income tax. However, if 100 years from now, that were distorted into something we never intended it to be, do we take the blame?
8 posted on 05/04/2010 5:40:33 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: IronJack
If it were up to me, we’d erase his face from Rushmore and replace it with Ronald Reagan’s.

Right on buddy! Right on!

9 posted on 05/04/2010 5:40:43 AM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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” I’m not sure why Newsmax is ignoring his record.”

Because most Republicans are not for small government.


10 posted on 05/04/2010 5:45:35 AM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: oh8eleven

“Theodore Rex” is another great read.


11 posted on 05/04/2010 5:46:10 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
And that is what Theodore Roosevelt always tried to do, to act according to the practical needs of the occasion, to make America strong and No. 1 on the world stage.

Hoist by his own petard.

If one always "acts according to the practical needs of the occasion," it seems pretty obvious that one will constantly be expanding the role of government, as that is in general the most obvious way of dealing with any problem. A true conservative recognizes that some problems are the price we must pay for limited government, thereby avoiding the problems caused by unlimited government. This analysis leaves out the obvious issue that expanding the government to deal with "the practical needs of the occasion" seldom is all that effective at actually solving those needs.

"Making America strong and No. 1 on the world stage" is a defensible goal, but it also quite obviously requires a government that in size and scope is far beyond that envisioned by the Founders.

12 posted on 05/04/2010 5:47:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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However, if 100 years from now, that were distorted into something we never intended it to be, do we take the blame?

I expect to be dead in 100 years. However, if policies I supported while living turned out to have bad consequences, those suffering the consequences could legitimately "blame" me.

13 posted on 05/04/2010 5:50:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (It's a jungle out there, kiddies; have a very fruitful day.)
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...do we take the blame?

Yes, you do. There is enough human history to know that government expands as much as possible and abuses any powers given. That's why the founders didn't allow for a national sales tax or a national income tax.

I think a lot of freepers would like to see either a flat tax or national sales tax implemented with the elimination of the income tax.

Some of us want to see the 16th amendment repealed and the income tax replaced with nothing. Return to having the government doing what was given to it to do in article 1, secion 8 of the US constitution and they don't need much money at all. What they need they can get off constitutional funds sources.

14 posted on 05/04/2010 5:50:49 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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Are you against child labor laws? Is that being socialist?

Well, yes it is.

It's a type of socialism, as with Social Security and many other policies, that has been accepted by most Americans, including myself, as the article says.

But that doesn't make these policies of government intervention into private businesses and lives any less socialistic, it just means we have grown used to many socialistic policies.

15 posted on 05/04/2010 5:51:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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And you can't wait to tell us how much you hate him every chance you get.

I have no idea why this loud mouth would earn 42 million dollars annually.

Oh, so you feel like he's earned enough money already?

16 posted on 05/04/2010 5:51:42 AM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: BfloGuy

TR was correct about big business. If you do not keep an eye on them they will corrupt officials and cheat the people. Look what happen in Wall Street. Selling mortgage backed securities to investors as AAA investments and at the same time betting against them with options (indicating they knew the MBS were financially unsound). Then go overseas and help the Greek government hide their deficit spending. Do you know how many pro US former East European bloc nations are financially underminded by Wall Street who sold them shaky mortgage backed securities to their banks and pension funds??!!!! Russia loves it, and the former Communist opposition parties chumping at the bit for an election loves it also.


17 posted on 05/04/2010 5:54:01 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: FightThePower!
Because most Republicans are not for small government.

Bingo! The winner! Most Republicans are all for liberty when it comes to themselves, but they don't want liberty for their neighbors. In fact, they often want the government to regulate, sometimes literally at the point of a gun, their neighbors actions. Thus, they grow government because they don't like what some people are doing. Just like leftists in the Democrat party.

18 posted on 05/04/2010 5:54:16 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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"Some of us want to see the 16th amendment repealed and the income tax replaced with nothing."

And when we no longer have an army to protect us because there are no more funds to do it, I hope you're ready to stand your ground when the Chinese/Muslims/bad guy at the moment comes calling. Because if we didn't have the worlds strongest military, I guarantee you we would be invaded before long. There are legitimate reasons for a federal government. Lets work on getting rid of the illegitimate reasons for government while leaving the legitimate reasons intact.
19 posted on 05/04/2010 5:55:03 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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“However, if 100 years from now, that were distorted into something we never intended it to be, do we take the blame? “

If you support something that supports the monstrous leviathan that is the federal government, you are very much to blame. These tax schemes are meant to maintain current levels of revenue and current level of government. The income tax was just as wrong in 1913 as it is today. Those who instituted it are much worse than those who now go along with it. The first had to take much initiative to get the job done.


20 posted on 05/04/2010 5:56:33 AM PDT by all the best
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