Posted on 04/18/2010 3:03:57 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
Well put, imho.
Thx.
Most things have ebbed and flowed.
Violence, included.
A study more than 150 years ago, IIRC, documented that when church attendence was at its highest, drunkenness, murders etc. were at their lowest in New England.
My point. Or part of it.
My study of history suggests that "Peace" is an ideal we interpolate from the fact that there are pauses in between particular wars. But there's always a war going on somewhere, oppression going on somewhere, natural disasters going on somewhere ...
Don't Panic.
The pyramid poured concrete idea has been thoroughly vetted - no way.
Ra is pleased you hves notined his genius!
Seriously though, I love the theory of ancients. So many possibilities.
I think the latter part of your post contains a flaw you have not thought of.
Maybe... but I'm willing to explore it... :-)
You seem to have an assumption that God killed off ALL the fallen angels/ watchers/ nephilium that sided with satan in the flood.
imho, That’s not really logical when one considers the end times events. It’s clear that satan still has a lot of cohorts . . . and it’s not at all clear that they are all demons.
I changed the formatting a bit for "space" but your words are there...
Here we've got a possibility for some confusing terminology and that would affect the understanding that people have about this.
Let me give some of the understanding I have for the terminology and what it would mean to me. And I think it would help go part way towards clarifying some of what I'm saying.
Angels are those created beings that God made which are not human (different kinds and classes of angels though). Angels don't die and they are never destroyed. They may be imprisoned, but they are never killed.
Watchers are a type and class of angel. All of the angels which rebelled against God, did not ("all") engage in this activity of cohabiting with human women, only a small number did. This still (therefore) leaves a large number of other "fallen angels" still free, still circulating and still around (not having been imprisoned like those others for their greivous sin).
The Nephilim are the hybrid offspring -- from those angels who left their previously given position, and decided to cohabit with the earthly women.
And..., "demons" are not "angels" but the disembodied spirits of the nephilim which died (Nephilim died during the flood, but those offending and particular fallen angels were "imprisoned"). The disembodied spirits seek out a body to be in, and still be among the land of the living and don't want to be cast into "prison" yet (like was said to Jesus when he casts the demons out of the man and into the swine).
Now, having said that, some expositors consider demons and angels -- as the same type of word (with a fallen angel being a demon). But, I'm not so sure of that one. I "lean" towards the demons being the disembodied spirits of the nephilim, and not the fallen angels.
With that understanding, I think I've already accounted for all of the other (and much much greater number) of fallen angels that are still around today.
What I'm saying is that the "judgment" of those particular fallen angels who did this grievous sin with the earthly women, was so great -- that it is enough to keep any other of Satan's hoards of fallen angels from continuing in that same pathway (of "direct interaction" of "cohabitation") with human women, at the present time. Or else, it may be that God is carrying out "summary judgment" -- and doing so "immediately" in the event any fallen angel does so, any more -- today. That may very well be the case, too -- in order for the same situation in which the gene pool would be so polluted that there would be no more human beings after a certain period of time [God has already promised no more "worldwide flood", so He's not going through that one again ... :-) ...]
AND..., what I was saying is that it's not so "clear" at the "present time" for our own day and age as to what is going on -- because there is not the same type of clear statement -- as there was for Genesis 6 and what those angels did then (it's not clear right now what is going on, according to the Bible, itself). But, we do have absolutely clear indication of what did go on back at the time of the flood.
Guy Malone asserts, convincingly, with his panel of quality scholars . . . that demons were the fallen angels killed in the flood and thereby no more with bodies so they seek to infest human bodies etc.
Does Guy Malone really say that these disembodied spirits are of "angels" -- or -- does he say that they are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim (because nephilim are not angels, you see...).
I would simply say that if Malone says that they are angels, then he's wrong. If he's saying that they are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim, then I would be willing to consider that one as something "viable"... (still holding some reservations there...).
As a side note, there could be some problem with the "language" too, in regards to the terminology -- "demons" -- and that's what I haven't quite sorted out yet.
It could very well be that "demons" is a broader word, which would be more "specifically understood" in a certain "category of meaning" -- when used in a particular "context". So, "demon" may not be as definitive as some may want to put it.
But, that's hypothetical and I'm not completely sure on that one yet. :-)
The rest of the fallen angels did not get eradicated in the flood and still, evidently, have their bodies through which to do evil and interact with humans etc.
Well, for one thing, I don't think any angel ever gets "eradicated" -- never, never, never ... they are immortal and they exist forever. They may be imprisoned, though, as these offending angels in Genesis 6 were, and so are never allowed freedom again, and wait until final judgment and into the lake of fire.
And my "sense of the matter" is that the numbers of fallen angels who did this grievous sin in Genesis 6 -- don't amount to but even a mere 1% of the rest of the fallen angels. I don't think it was a large group. It was only a small group, because it was such a grievous sin and they knew it. And the rest of the fallen angels know it, too.
So, this leaves a very, very large number of fallen angels, with Satan, as his large cohort of evil support -- being the 1/3 who fell with Satan, leaving the 2/3 who did not fall and are now "locked in" to their choice (on God's side) in the same way that the "impeccability of Christ" applies). They will never defect or have the ability to defect -- ever...
In all that I've said above, I think I've accounted for the greater number of fallen angels, still with Satan today and still "at large" and roaming and capable of doing evil in this world.
But, you can tell me what you think ... :-)
We are to not only avoid panic . . .
God says repeatedly
FEAR NOT.
He also says to watch, be aware, alert, ready—discerning the times.
We seem to be more in agreement than I thought.
I believe Guy says that the Nephilium are a type of angel, fallen angel but I wouldn’t swear to it. It’s been a long time since I watched those many hours of testimony/presentation by his panel of experts. It is conceivable that some or one of them said the offspring are nephilium. I don’t recall 100% for certain.
He does teach that the fallen angels who’s bodies were destroyed in the flood are current demons, IIRC.
Thx.
Excellent Post!
Spot on ST!
Yeah, Chuck Missler does a pretty good job of it... :-)
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