Posted on 04/18/2010 3:03:57 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
Likely.
I agree.
thx.
WELL DONE.
God clearly wants those to rule and reign with Christ who are
without spot or wrinkle—redeemed in Christ’s Blood, perfected by HIM.
Not halfbreed fallen angels etc.
Satan has been the ultimate polluter for a long time.
Thank you both for your posts. If things are to be “as in the days of Noe” when the Rapture occurs, I would think there would be evidence of genetic crossings with the fallen angels. Do you believe this is taking place now?
ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT.
There’s evidently more than 3 million abducted in the USA . . . mostly for that purpose.
Mothers, and fathers, actually, have been shown their half breed children at various stages of growth.
And, there are persistent reports that the half-breeds have begun to look more and more human. Still with special ‘powers.’
There’s also the report posted hereon recently of the skeletons with the woman’s arms wrapped around the man who’s DNA is only half human. The other half is very much NOT human. And his leg and other muscle sinews are NOT human.
That was from several hundred years ago.
If things are to be “as in the days of Noe” when the Rapture occurs, I would think there would be evidence of genetic crossings with the fallen angels. Do you believe this is taking place now?
Well, the first thing I want to see, when considering what you're asking is exactly what Jesus did say about that...
Matthew Chapter 24 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.
Luke Chapter 17 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
To me, when I read this from Jesus, He's talking about the suddenness of the judgment which is coming. That's His comparison to the days of Noah.
He's saying that many (who are ignorant of these coming things, of judgment) will be carrying on their lives just as they were in Noah's day...
38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
And this judgment comes upon them suddenly. And again, in Luke, it's the same "story" of the sudden judgment while they were going on just as normal, until judgment came upon them (unknowingly)...
28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
So, I think that's primarily what is being said there.
However, there is an "understory" to the use of these particular examples (of Noah and of Lot) in that it had to do with those who went after "strange flesh" -- or not according to the order of things that God commanded, and thus judgment came upon them suddenly as a result of what they were doing.
Both Lot and Noah are similar in that regard, of the nature of what brought on the judgment.
I don't know about the breeding of hybrids today, as compared to the angels breeding with humans back in Noah's day. I think that the judgment of God, upon the angels was so severe that this prevents them from doing so, in the very same way (as back then) -- today. I don't think they are going to do any interbreeding, because those angels were locked up permanently, until the day of judgment, never to be released again.
HOWEVER, there may be other things that are going on in regards to "genetics" with the human race. I say that, because there does seem to be a whole lot of reports of some kind of sexual experimentation going on from those reports of people being abducted. Whether that's real experimentation or not -- or -- it's something that is designed specifically to mislead people into believing that these are some kind of advanced civilizations doing experiments (or "whatever") -- I don't know. The reports, though, are there from many people, even though one may or may not be able to prove exactly what is going on.
Perhaps the judgment of God, upon the angels who sinned before, was so severe that no other angels will do exactly the same thing, but will go up to the very "boundaries" of what is allowed (without getting immediately imprisoned forever) and thus, they may be engaged in genetic experimentation to accomplish something that they were attempting to accomplish before, when certain angels left their God-given position and order and went to directly interbreed with the human race.
Genetic experimentation is a sort of a "one-off" position from directly interbreeding and so, may not incur the immediate imprisonment that those other angels suffered.
That's speculation on my part as to what is going on today -- but it's not speculation on my part as to what went on in Noah's day. The Bible is clear as to what happened with the angels in Noah's day, but I don't think that's as clear as to what exactly will go on with the angels (in regards to any interbreeding) -- today.
And I'm speculating that the penalty of judgment from God is so severe upon the angels, that they won't dare try "that particular route" again... (again, speculation, but in that particular speculation, it's as good as anyone else's ... LOL ...).
Thanks for the ping!
“Violence Filled the Earth”
Jesus spoke far ahead of his time relating to us what life would just prior to his coming. He says in Matt. 24:37-38: “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,” (Gen.6-7). The earth being flooded? Certainly no one outside the Church believes this, since this would prove evolution is false.
Life will be normal until… It will occur during a time of prosperity when people are buying, selling, marrying, planting, and harvesting. This has to occur before the tribulation since the earth will be devastated by the judgments and wrath of God during the tribulation period. For example, Almost all the grass and trees will be destroyed and almost all the water will be turned to 'blood' (undrinkable) Those will NOT be normal times. They ate, drank, married right up until the time Noah entered the ark. Then the destruction of the flood suddenly came and they were destroyed. In Noah’s day there was plenty of warning, but no preparedness. Why? Because they didn't heed him, they mocked. Most of the Church has become indifferent about the second coming replacing it with Church triumphalism, making his kingdom on earth, but the bible clearly states the earth will be just like Noah's day, which is not a pretty scene.
It says they will be marrying and given in marriage. Today we see people being married and divorced multiple times. Mal. 2:16 “For the LORD God of Israel says that He hates divorce, for it covers one's garment with violence,” This has attributed to our societies breakdown, no commitment, no love.
Gen. 6:11-12 “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.” Today we live in a world constantly threatened by terrorism, in our cities we have hate crimes, drive by shootings, mothers killing their own infant children, parents killing their children, children killing parents, inhuman behavior is becoming the norm, we have run amuck having no restraints. Why? Because there is no law, no real accountability, it’s lawlessness. The more tolerance today the less morals we have. There is a relationship between the two, no standard and anything goes. In Israel’s apostasy at the end of the Book of judges reads just as our society today, “everyone did what was right in their own eyes.” People go to suicide because they have no hope. Euthanasia is becoming an accepted alternative. Light is called darkness and darkness is light. In Satanism up is down, and down is up. It will be a time unlike any other where lawlessness will be the way people live. We already see this occurring. Terrorism, hate crimes our behavior has no restraints, lawlessness is increasingly becoming the norm of society. The President's sex scandal had no affect on his popularity, people don't care, they are in no position to point fingers for that would make them guilty as well.
Joel 3:19 “Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom a desolate wilderness, because of violence against the people of Judah, for they have shed innocent blood in their land. Jer 22:17 “Yet your eyes and your heart are for nothing but your covetousness, for shedding innocent blood, and practicing oppression and violence.” Innocent blood can be those of age and those without ever seeing the outside of the womb.50 million babies are aborted worldwide each year. That is 137,000 lives ended each day this is genocide. The land is defiled by blood. Perilous times are upon us, but without the Bible one can barely recognize this fact. Alcohol kills 65,000 people a year, 22,000 on the highway. Without hope we turn to anything that will ease our pain only to find that it hastens our death.
In 1993, William Bennett released his Index of Leading Cultural Indicators. His evaluation of the problem in the past was “Over the years teachers have been asked to identify the top problems in America's public schools. In 1940 teachers identified talking out of turn; chewing gum; making noise; running in halls; cutting in line; dress code infractions; and littering. When teachers were asked the same question in 1990, it was a completely different assessment they identified drug abuse; alcohol abuse; suicide; rape; pregnancy; robbery; and assault.” In the last several years we can also add terroristic threatening, mass murder.
Littleton, Colorado, is not the first place where troubled teenagers took guns to school and unleashed a deadly attack on their teachers and classmates. It certainly will not be the last. Twice in 1997 in Pearl, Mississippi, and Paducah, Kentucky. It happened three times in 1998 in Jonesboro, Arkansas; and Springfield, Oregon. Edinboro, Pennsylvania
Reports of copycat attacks were many afterwards and in Canada it actually occurred. People are turning to violence to vent their personal frustrations. 300 hundred children murder their parents each year.
We are called the culture of death not a good label for the generation at the end of the greatest technological time we have ever lived in (Wall Street Journal 4/22). In 1996, 9,390 people were killed in gun related murders.
When Matthew Shepard who was a homosexual was murder in Wyoming last year it was called a hate crime. The shootings last month at a Jewish community center in California, the media and politicians condemned it calling this kind of violence “hate crimes,” And rightly so.
In 1997 when 14-year-old Michael Carneal shot and killed three students praying at Paducah high school in Kentucky to the April murders of Christian students at Columbine High School in Colorado, to the recent Texas church shootings, at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth we do not hear on the TV networks about anyone being anti-Christian. But a very clear and obvious disturbing pattern is surfacing.
Its not a coincidence that in the recent school tragedy we find Klebold and Harris were influenced by Marilyn Manson a self proclaimed anti-christ whose concerts have Nazi symbols. The murderers were Adolf Hitler lovers, and God haters. It was mostly Christians hunted down by those under the satanic influence What most do not know because of no press reports is that 8 out of 13 children killed were Christians. They were all known as evangelical Christians, is it coincidence? While the enemy made a tragedy out of this God turned it around for his good and many hundreds if not thousands were saved from the gospel being proclaimed. May they rest in peace knowing that they did not die in vain.
Lk. 17:28 He writes that it in “Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; v.29 “but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and What were the days of Lot like that needed this kind of judgment?
Gen. 13:13 “But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the LORD.” In the days of Lot the people gave themselves over to blatant sexual sin. They were homosexuals and adulterers and engaged in any thing their wicked heart desired. Lawlessness abounded, everyone did whatever they felt like from their own evil heart. It became a normal thing in their cities to live in this manner.
Historically the source of violence comes from one that was once close to God, Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:16, “In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned.” This verse speaks of Satan who was then cast as a profane thing from the mount of God. He was “filled with violence” Whereas before he was perfect in all his ways until sin was found in him, the sin of pride. Violence is the physical exhibition of pride. Ps 73:6 Therefore pride serves as their necklace; violence covers them like a garment. “One can recognize that we are a society that is self dependant and self engrossed pride is expressed through violence. Our society has reached the time that can be ripe for judgment. Prov 4:17-19 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the just is like the shining sun, that shines ever brighter unto the perfect day. The way of the wicked is like darkness; they do not know what makes them stumble.” We have the fruits of our labors today from sowing seeds of discord for years. Prov 21:7 “The violence of the wicked will destroy them, because they refuse to do justice.”
The spiritual war has been on the increase as Satan's hosts find their expression through ungodly people to do violence working through the sons of disobedience. While God wants to bring order and life, Satan comes to steal away any good thing. What does God say about violence? Psalms 11:5, “The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, and his soul hates him that loves violence.” It also says “all those who love death hate me. “
Our video arcades are filled with entertaining games with death-themes. Our movies are filled with violence as well as the TV. Now legislation is sought but is too little and too late? Prov.10:11The mouth of the righteous is a well of life, but violence covers the mouth of the wicked.” Hollywood needs to take some of the blame for promoting violence and promiscuity but we need to take responsibility as well. Because we did not speak out and declare Gods standard and his judgement on those who fight against it. Prov. 24:2 For their heart devises violence, and their lips talk of troublemaking. “Its good business to promote exciting films with murder and sex and violence in them for entertainment. But now it has influenced our lifestyle, the enemy of our souls has come to cash in the chips and the cost is high, the lives of the next generation.
Our youth today does not have to fear going to war on foreign soil as we did. Instead car accidents, suicide, and homicide, drive by shootings all happen right in front of our face. We can thank our western education of science, telling our children they are accidents of nature from the process of evolution. Without God there is no hope or purpose, we become empty souls in a hollow shell. Humanism has failed miserably as we see post-Christian America going to the pits. No hope, why live, the only alternative is death and killing. Prov. 13:12 “Hope deferred maketh the heart sick.”
Prov. 26:12 “Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool than of him.”
Jer. 18:12 “And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.” This is where we are today our own devices forsaking our maker who is desperately interested in becoming part of our lives to guide us. God asks in Ps.2:1-4 “Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The rulers of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying, “Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us.”
The storm clouds gathering closed in the distance. We're beginning to see the days of Noah again when men’s hearts and the earth will be continually filled with violence. We all have Violence in the heart apart from the new birth. Only the Gospel of Christ will be the modern ark of safety. It needs to be proclaimed clearly and loudly, we may be close to the end of Noah’s 120 years. Job 27:8-9 For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul? Will God hear his cry when trouble cometh upon him?
Now we are confronted with an age of terrorism that is not isolated but sweeping the planet. In the name of God those who practicing their religion zealously see it as their duty to rid the world of those who they view as not pleasing God by the use of force. It’s in Israel, Africa and in America and it will spread elsewhere , because evil when it is not contained or reduced by an equal force will spread like a fire. We live under a nuclear Damocles more than ever before except now it is not the head nations but third world countries.
Its time to pray- Psalm 147:11
“The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.”
May we cry out for mercy on our nation, may we ask for forgiveness for our waywardness, and return to our first love of God, that our prayers may be answered from heaven. Return to God that He may return his mercy to us.
When has violence NOT “filled the Earth”?
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Personally, I wonder about cloning. . . perhaps the crossing of humans with animals.
Just givin’ the science.
When has violence NOT “filled the Earth”?
You'll have to ask God, then, what He meant by this ... :-)
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Since we're taking our information from the authoritative and inerrant and infallible Word of God, then we have to ask what He meant by this.
I think that most people would understand what God meant in that, while violence has been around, even from the time of the Garden of Eden, that there are situations in which God waits until a "fullness" comes -- or a "maximum effect" happens.
You hear God speaking about the fullness of time, and, you see the terminology that God uses in "filled with violence" -- which is an indication of "extent".
And so yes, God knows that violence started even back at the Garden of Eden with murder, but God also knows that violence grows and then there is a "fullness" aspect to it and there is a "filled" aspect to it.
God waits until the "fullness of time" -- and then God brings judgment.
Personally, I wonder about cloning. . . perhaps the crossing of humans with animals.
Well, aside from the issue of "as in the days of Noah" -- as was discussed up above, in terms of the sudden judgment -- yes, there could very well be an aspect related to the corruption of the genetic material of the human race in certain experiments like that.
And it could very well be that either there is angelic involvement in that, or, there is angelic encouragement for mankind, itself, to be involved in that. I don't know for sure -- as of today.
What I do know for sure, is that God's judgment is coming, and when it comes -- it will comes suddenly and catch many unawares.
And then again, here is some further information from Chuck Missler on the days of Noah. Notice that he's not saying that this is directly the interbreeding of angels with women in this day, but that this is some kind of angelic deception and interaction, in this day -- though... so it's a distinction I would be well aware of ... :-)
By Chuck Missler
Focus on Jerusalem is always striving to present enlightening and provocative prophecy–related material to its readers. The FOJ Library has been built to house numerous articles by various authors that I think have been inspired by the Holy Spirit. One of the foremost prophecy thinkers of our day is Chuck Missler of Koinnoia House Ministry. His books and articles on the Nephilim and the Days of Noah are interesting and timely reading. (03-14-06) In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus also likens the Last Days, not only to the days of Noah, but also makes a stark comparison to the times of Lot, and the prevailing condition that existed in Sodom. Both of these cultural debaucheries exist today, as in no other time since the days of Noah and Lot.
(Luke 17:26-30 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.)
As The Days of Noah Were
And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man."
The emergence of the "Nephilim" was what brought about the Flood of Noah. Who were they? Is the current interest in the possibility of "alien" involvements somehow of Biblical relevance?
The Nephilim
Genesis 6 indicates that the "sons of God" (B'nai Elohim) took wives of the "daughters of men," which gave birth to the "Nephilim." What on earth was going on? The B'nai Elohim is a term that refers to angels. It occurs four times in the Old Testament and is rendered "Angels of God" in the ancient Septuagin translation. The intrusion of certain angels into the human family resulted in unnatural offspring termed Nephilim, which derives from the Hebrew naphal (to fall), or the Fallen Ones. (The Greek Septuagint renders this term gigantes, which actually means "earth-born." This is often misunderstood to mean "giants," which they also happen to have been, incidentally.)
Line of Seth
The early church viewed the B'nai Elohim as angels up through the late fourth century: Justin, Athenagoras, Cyprian, Eusebius, et al. (also Josephus, Philo, Judeaus, and the Apochrypha regard this view). Celsus and Julian the Apostate exploited the older common belief to attack Christianity. Cyril of Alexandria, in his reply, repudiated the orthodox position. Julius Africanus (a contemporary of Origen) introduced the theory that the "sons of God" simply referred to the genealogical line of Seth, which was committed to preserving the true worship of God.
Seemingly more appealing, the "Sethite theory" prevailed into the Medieval Church, and many still hold this view. This view, however, has several serious problems. There is no indication that the Sethites were distinguished for piety; they were not exempted from the charge of general wickedness which brought on the flood. In fact, Seth's son Enosh was the one who introduced apostasy to that world. This is masked by a mistranslation of Genesis 4:25, which should read:
"...then men began to profane the name of the Lord."
Furthermore, when the faithful marry the unfaithful, they do not give birth to unnatural offspring! And the "daughters of men" were not differentiated with regard to the Flood. All were lost.
(Incidentally, the Nephilim didn't completely end with the flood. Genesis 6:4 mentions, "...and also after that..." We find the sons fo Anak, the Anakim, later in the Old Testament.)
The Reason for the Flood
It was the infusion of these strange beings into the human predicament that brought on the Flood of Noah. The Flood was preceded by four generations of prophets/preachers warning of the coming judgment: Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah. It seems that this was part of Satan's stratagem to corrupt the line of Adam to prevent the fulfillment of the Messianic redemption. Noah was apparently unique in that his genealogy was still uncorrupted.
The strange events which led to the flood are also alluded to in ancient mythologies.8 The legends of the Greek "titans"--partly terrestrial, partly celestial--embrace these same memories. (The Greek titan is linguistically linked to the Chaldean sheitan, and the Hebrew satan.)
The Angels that Sinned
There is a great deal revealed in the Bible about angels. They can appear in human form, they spoke as men, took men by the hand, even ate men's food, are capable of direct physical combat, some are the principal forces behind the world powers. They don't marry (in Heaven), but apparently are (or were) capable of much mischief. The strange events of Genesis Chapter 6 are also referred to in the New Testament. Peter refers to events preceding the flood of Noah:
"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment..." 2 Peter 2:4
(Peter uses the term tartarus, here translated as hell. This was a Greek term for "the dark abode of woe, the pit of darkness in the unseen world." Homer's Iliad portrays tartarus "as far below hades as the earth is below Heaven...")
Also, in Jude, it mentions them:
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6 and 7.
Scripture warns against meddling with the spirit world. The punishment which overtook the angels that sinned was to emphasize the serious nature of apostasy: beings of a higher order than ours have been hurled down into a dark place of confinement where they have remained for thousands of years. God has not changed His attitude toward them; time has not mitigated the seriousness of their sin. False teachers are prewritten into condemnation.
The "Sons of God" Return?
There are many who believe that the recent "alien" involvements are also demonic and are just another precursor to the end-time. Some also believe that the Coming World Leader may boast of an "alien connection." It would be consistent from what else we can infer from Scripture. (The Restrainer of II Thessalonians 2 may be restraining far more than we have any suspicion of! When He is removed, the world is in for some astonishing surprises!)
In the meantime, what are our weapons of protection against such things? We do, indeed, "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Our armor is well defined in Ephesians 6:10-17.
"Mischievous Angels or Sethites?"
In the above analysis we have explored the importance of understanding Genesis 6. The straightforward presentation of the text seems to clearly portray a strange union of fallen angels with women to produce a hybrid race called the "Nephilim," or fallen ones. We enumerated the reasons we accept the "angel" view and why the liberal "Sethite" view is inadequate. Far beyond simply a misunderstanding of the forthright presentation of the text, the "Sethite" view also obscures apprehension of the prophetic Scriptures.
Post-Flood Occurrences
Regarding the Nephilim, Genesis 6:4 also includes the haunting phrase, "...and also after that...." Apparently these strange events were not confined just to the period before the Flood. We find that there seems to be some recurrence of those things which resulted in unusual "giants" appearing in subsequent periods later in the Old Testament narrative, specifically the giant-races of Canaan.
There were a number of tribes such as the Rephaim, the Emim, the Horim, and Zamsummim, that were giants. The kingdom of Og, the King of Bashan, was the "land of the giants." Later, we also find Arba, Anak, and his seven sons (the "Anakim") also as giants, along with the famed Goliath and his four brothers.
When God had revealed to Abraham that the land of Canaan was to be given to him, Satan had over 400 years to plant his "mine field" of Nephilim! When Moses sent his twelve spies to reconnoiter the Land of Canaan, they came back with the report of giants in the land. (The term used was Nephilim.) Their fear of those terrifying creatures resulted in their being relegated to wandering in the wilderness for 38 years.
When Joshua and the nation Israel later entered the land of Canaan, they were instructed to wipe out every man, woman and child of certain tribes. That strikes us as disturbingly severe. It would seem that in the Land of Canaan, there again was a "gene pool problem."
These Rephaim, Nephilim, and others seem to have been established as an advance guard to obstruct Israel's possession of the Promised Land. Was this also a stratagem of Satan?
The Days of Noah
Perhaps the most direct prophetic reference involving these things was the peculiar warning of our Lord Jesus Himself:
And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luke 17:26
What does that mean? He also warned:
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luke 21:25,26 (emphasis added)
Is it possible that the UFOs - and their occupants - are part of an end-time scenario?
The Miry Clay of Daniel 2
The famous dream of Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel Chapter 2 appears to lay out all of Gentile history until God ultimately intervenes and sets up His own kingdom. The various metals which make up the image in the dream are well known to serious students of prophecy. Even our common expression, "the idol has feet of clay," comes to us from this classic passage. But what is represented by the "miry clay" in this image? It seems to be strangely mixed-but not completely-with the iron in the dream. The term "miry clay" refers to clay made from dust, a Biblical idiom which suggests death. ) When Daniel interprets this for us he makes an especially provocative allusion in verse 43:
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. (Daniel 2:43)
As he switches to a personal pronoun, they, "shall mingle themselves with the seed of men..." This is extremely suggestive when viewed in light of the warning of our Lord in Luke 17:26, ostensibly directing us to look more closely at Genesis 6. Just what (or who) are "mingling with the seed of men?" These would seem to refer to some beings who are not the seed of men themselves!
Could this be a hint of a return to the mischief of Genesis 6? It staggers the mind to consider the potential significance of Daniel's passage and its implications for the future global governance. Are these "aliens" so prolific that they constitute a political constituency?
Will there be UFO incidents as part of a carefully orchestrated program to lead us toward a political agenda? Or has it started already? Are the UFOs, and the increasingly widespread abductions, part of the preparations for this scenario?
UFO Abductions?
There seems to be a growing concern within the psychiatric community from the strange (and far too frequent) reports from people who claim to have been "abducted" by the occupants of UFOs. These reports are too bizarre to accept, and yet too frequent-and consistent to ignore. What is particularly disturbing is the estimate from some national polls that as much as 3% of the population may be involved! Perhaps the most well-known researcher in this area is Dr. John E. Mack, who is professor of psychiatry at The Cambridge Hospital, Harvard Medical School. A contributor to over 150 articles in professional (peer-reviewed) journals and a former Pulitzer Prize winner, he certainly appears to have impressive credentials. He has been involved in almost a hundred of these cases personally, and has shocked the professional community by declaring that he believes these beings may be real and that they appear to have an agenda to develop a hybrid race!
At a professional conference on abductions at M.I.T., Dr. Mack asked the provocative question, "If what these abductees are saying is happening to them isn't happening, then what is?" Could all this involve a return to the strange events of "the Days of Noah?"
These "aliens" (and wherever else this "channeling" comes from) -- seem to know that there is a coming "Rapture" (where the Christian church is to be removed from this earth prior to the judgment of God being dispensed upon all who are left) -- so they are already preparing their "believers" for what has happened with the disappearance of all these other people. They are already "setting up the deception" for when the time of the Rapture does occur.
What you're reading below is not "Christian Eschatology" [there's nothing Christian about it, at all...] -- but rather -- information from channelers and so-called "aliens" who are here to help earth "go to the next level" -- supposedly... LOL ...
According To New Age Channelers
"The people who leave the planet during the time of Earth changes do not fit in here
any longer, and they are stopping the harmony of Earth. When the time comes
that perhaps 20 million people leave the planet at one time there will be
a tremendous shift in consciousness for those who are remaining."
Barbara Marciniak, "Bringers of the Dawn"
The disappearance of every born-again Christian will be the first in a long line of miracles and fulfillment of prophecy to occur in the last days. The strict fulfillment of events will be powerful evidence of who is in charge. All will know that God is in control but there will still be a great many rebellious souls who refuse to accept Jesus Christ and humbly repent. This is the dark side of Free Choice.
Many do not realize that the end of this age does not entirely revolve around the human race. The end could have occured long ago were it not for God's desire to rescue humanity from Satan and his angels. It is Satan who is manipulating events here and that is why he is referred to as "the god of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4 and "the prince of this world" in John 12:31 and 14:30. He rebelled long ago and it is at the conclusion of this age that Satan will be imprisoned. And his angels, as well as all men who refuse the gift of Christ's sacrifice, will finally be entirely cut off from God's love and will not be allowed to continue to sabotage His creation.
Satan is very restricted as to what course of action he may take but this will not stop him from deceiving many. In this task he is very active. In 2 Corinthians 11:14 Paul warns us that Satan masquerades as an angel of light and also remarks that it should not be surprising that his servants appear as servants of righteousness as well. One of their favorite tools is the tool of flattery. They tell us what we want to hear and subtly pervert the truth so that it conforms to our own self-centered and self-serving human philosophies. This is being done on an unprecedented scale in the powerful New Age movement today.
What follows are some quotes from members of the New Age movement who dabble in a practice called "channeling." Channeling is a process whereby you open your mind and soul through meditation and relaxation to the influence and direction of non-human beings. These beings claim to be "aliens" or "angels" or "Ascended Masters," and offer some very interesting advice and predictions concerning the future changes. They claim to be angels, and indeed they are, but the nature of their advice gives them away as fallen angels because it conflicts violently and obviously with the saving message of Jesus Christ, His return in power and glory, as well as with the uncompromising truths that have been revealed through God's prophets.
Here is the Rapture according to the Bible,
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming."
-- Matthew 24:36-42
"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
-- Luke 17:34-35
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..."
-- 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
The disappearance of millions of people will be explained away using several different tactics. The first explanation is that certain groups of people will have to be evacuated by our extraterrestrial "space brothers" because of catastrophic earth changes:
Channeler Thelma Terrell, who goes by her spiritual name, "Tuella," wrote a book called Project World Evacuation1, these are some qoutes from that book. They are messages channeled from a being who calls himself Ashtar, the leader of an alien confederation,
"Our rescue ships will be able to come in close enough in the twinkling of an eye to set the lifting beams in operation in a moment. And all over the globe where events warrant it, this will be the method of evacuation. mankind will be lifted, levitated shall we say, by the beams from our smaller ships. These smaller craft will in turn taxi the persons to the larger ships overhead, higher in the atmosphere, where there is ample space and quarters and supplies for millions of people."
"...We watch diligently, the threat of a polar shift for the planet in your generation. Such a development would create a planetery situation through which none could survive. This would necessitate an evacuation such as I have referred to."
"...Earth changes will be the primary factor in mass evacuation of this planet."
"There is method and great organization in a detailed plan already near completion for the purpose of removing souls from this planet, in the event of catastrophic events making a rescue necessary..."
"The Great Evacuation will come upon the world very suddenly. The flash of emergency events will be as a lightning that flashes in the sky. So suddenly and so quick in its happening that it is over almost before you are aware of its presence..."
"Phase I of the Great Exodus of souls from the planet will take place at a moment's notice when it is determined that the inhabitants are in danger."
"Phase II... This second phase immediately following the first. The second phase is vital, as we return for the children of all ages and races. The child does not have the power of choice in understanding nor personal accountability."
"Do not be concerned nor unduly upset if you do not participate in this first temporary lift-up of souls who serve with us. This merely means that your action in the plan is elsewhere, and you will be taken for your instructions or will receive them in some other manner. Do not take any personal affront if you are not alerted or are not a participant in this first phase of our plan. Your time will come later, and these instructions are not necessary for you at this time..."
New Age author Timothy Green Beckley writes more words of encouragement for those who miss the "evacuation" in his book Psychic and UFO Revelations in the Last Days2,
"...Many of the New Age workers and instructors who feel that they will be taken will not be taken right away, but left behind to help mankind survive through the cataclysmic period. That is their mission."
Another explanation that will be offered for the disappearance of all the believers of Jesus Christ is one of an evolutionary purge. The basic concept is that as earth and humanity is evolving into a higher spiritual consciousness, those whose thought patterns are of the past, and which hinder the evolutionary path, will appear to vanish. It is explained that these souls will be taken elsewhere to evolve at their own rate and they will miss their chance to participate with the rest of the earth's inhabitants:
New Age author Kay Wheeler (known by her spiritual name, Ozmana), who describes herself as a Pleiadian star seed and channeler, published an article entitled, The Time Is Now, in the New Age journal Connecting Link magazine (spring 1994)3. She presented material that she had channeled from entities that called themselves the "Souls of Light," who claim to be ETs from the "Seventh Celestial Plane of Life" who are concerned with helping earth evolve to full consciousness. Here she writes of the evolutionary purge,
"The Mother is desperately fighting for her life. Many of her vortexes have been drained. She is in critical condition at this time and must turn her thoughts to herself if she is to survive. That is why you see the many crises in the world. many of these you do not hear about on your 'screen of lies.'"
"There is much happening on your planet at this time. The Mother is cleansing. It is all she knows to do at this time to clear herself of the pollution that exists within her body. But you as light bearers can help your Mother cleanse in such a way that does not destroy all life on this planet."
"Much of this is necessary. Many of these beings have appointments to leave at this time. Earth's population needs to be decreased to bring forth the necessary changes upon this planet to move into the fourth dimension."
"Your Earth is a fourth-dimensional being at this time. She has moved into this energy pattern, and those who plan to stay must be of this vibration."
"Many of these beings who are leaving this planet at this time have completed that which they came to do. It is a time of great rejoicing for them. Do not feel sad about their leaving. They are going home. Many are waiting to be with them again... Many beings must move on, for their thought patterns are of the past. They hold on to these thoughts that keep Earth held back."
Earlyne Chaney channels an ET who calls himself "Kuthumi" and in Chaney's book, Revelations of Things To Come4, this being speaks about the earth changes and the need for a "cleansing."
"The Mother Deva (Mother Earth) realizes that her matter must be purifed. Her akashic ethers must be cleansed of the dark thought forces."
Barbara Marciniak is a very famous New Age author and channeler. In her book she documents what she claims extraterrestrials from the star system of the Pleiades have told her. In her book, Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians5, she also mentions the removal of a great number of souls,
"The people who leave the planet during the time of Earth changes do not fit in here any longer, and they are stopping the harmony of Earth. When the time comes that perhaps 20 million people leave the planet at one time there will be a tremendous shift in consciousness for those who are remaining."
Johanna Michaelson is an ex-New Ager who is now a Christian. She writes in one of her books, Like Lambs to the Slaughter: Your Child and the Occult6, about famous New Age intellectual and promoter John Randolph Price, whose spirit guide says that the number of human beings taken will be significantly higher,
"...Asher, the spirit guide of John Randolph Price, a moving force behind the New Agers' 'World Instant of Cooperation' (on December 31, 1986, in which thousands of meditators worldwide simultaneously concentrated on world peace hoping to cause a critical mass launching into the New Age) told him that two billion people who didn't go along with the New Age would be wiped off the face of the Earth during the coming cleansing."
Barbara Marciniak, in Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library7 writes,
"Some of you want to pretend that the earth changes are not occuring. However, they are occuring, and there is nothing to fear, for they are part of the process of the great shift... Whether you stay on the planet and alter your vibration, or you check out and sit in the bleachers to watch the show, doesn't really matter. On some level, in some avenue of existence, you will participate and you will learn."
Marciniak, in Bringers of the Dawn, gives us a final warning,
"If human beings do not change -- if they do not make the shift in values and realize that without Earth they could not be here -- then Earth, in its love for its own initiation, is reaching for a higher frequency, will bring about a cleansing that will balance it once again. There is the potential for many people to leave the planet in an afternoon."
(All of the above quotes were found in the book, Alien Encounters, by Chuck Missler and Mark Eastman, Koinonia House, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, 1997, pp. 185-200. See the bibliography at bottom for the original sources.)
I have come across several web pages that offer the same types of bogus rapture explanations as the above quotes. Below, I summarize what each page says, and also give a link so that the page can be read in context.
*Please, if anyone comes across any New Age page on the web that deals with the rapture, don't hesitate to inform me. E-mail me at pgoodgame@hawaii.rr.com and I might post it on this page with all the rest.
Metatron: This page offers a subtle warning to those who resist "unity:"
"It is the time of the joining. It is the time of the choosing. And those who wish not to walk upon this path will be transitioned, transferred to a different reality. The time is upon us. The enemy is at hand and is about to become one with us and will be the enemy no longer. No longer will be there dark or light, good or bad. Only will there be unity and those who wish not to operate in unity, will operate elsewhere in another universe."
Gateway to Oneness: Cristah the lightworker gets answers to her questions from a being that calls itself Ashtar. Ashtar relates how the earth is moving into the 4th dimension, and how only human beings who are of the right vibration may enter it with earth. He says, "...those who do not believe, will be left in the 3rd dimension," and "those that are not of the light must stay and learn here in the 3rd dimension." He says that the fate of earth's inhabitants "will be handled on an individual basis."
The Ascension Plan: This page talks about how the earth is "Ascending" into the next age. It is filled with a lot of boring New Age rubbish, but it mentions that there will be "three waves of ascension," and how "...the second wave is the beginning of the evacuation." Of this wave it is said, "I cannot give you dates as it is not permitted."
The Planetary Activation Organization: This is a site that is dedicated to preparing the world for contact with our ET "brothers." Sheldan Nidle is the leader of this organization and he is well known to late-night talk show host Art Bell. Nidle publishes updates on his website about twice a week to encourage his "lightworkers" around the world.
Here are two pages which mention the rapture: Update- 11/25/97: This page mentions how gigantic spaceships will be used to evacuate certain people, who will then be taken "...to an orientation training on special mother ships in the fleet." Evidently there will be quite a few who don't swallow all of the feel-good New Age hogwash, and these people must go to school to be properly indoctrinated. It goes on to say, "After this training is completed, we can then move them to their new holographic residences."
Sheldan Nidle Answers Your Questions: Go to Question 6. Nidle's disciples ask him if all the rituals and meditation might possibly help the earth enough to make an "evacuation" unneccessary. Nidle replies that their work has been "marvelous," but the Galactic Federation still plans to go through with the evacuation.
The Ashtar Command: This page states the purpose of yet another New Age cult which is trying to prepare the world for contact with ETs. There is no explicit reference to an "evacuation," but it does mention Lord Maitreya, who they claim is the "current planetary Christ." They directly contradict the Gospel when they say that "the belief in separation" is the "father of all lies." One only has to look at the state of the world to realize how far apart humanity is from God at this time. We are born into an age-old rebellion against God and are the legal property of the fallen angels. Jesus Christ came and died in the flesh to offer us a way out. I pray that all who read this understand and do not reject the free gift of eternal life offered through Jesus Christ. Without it we will suffer condemnation alongside Satan and his angels.
Theosophy Seminar: This article is a detailed account of the beliefs of one of the original modern New Age organizations: the Theosophical Society. This organization was founded by Helena Blavatsky near the turn of the century. She was heavily into channeling and also wrote about the coming of a New Age Christ (Antichrist). This article documents how its' members are expecting a good portion of the earth's inhabitants to vanish, and how Maitreya will rise to power with the help of the Roman Catholic Pope. (The article is borrowed from the Cutting Edge).
Hannah Newman: This is a link to the article I have posted on my site. It also points to Maitreya as the New Age "Christ" (Antichrist), and here is the relevant quote dealing with the rapture,
"4. Goal of the Plan - Initiation: All who wish to enter the New Age 'on the physical plane' [alive] must undergo an 'energy activation' or 'rebirth' - usually marked by a subjective trance-induced 'light experience' where one meets either a 'spirit guide' or one's 'higher self' (no difference since 'all is one'). This 'altered state of consciousness' will eventually lead to a 'Luciferic initiation' into the 'new humanity', or a vow of allegiance to Lucifer as god. Those who cannot (no souls) or will not ('not sufficiently developed in their spiritual journey') will be sent on to their next life in a global 'cleansing action' (Alice Bailey, 'The Rays and the Initiations' pp.754-755). [for more, see Doctrines on the Jews, below] By means of this 'initiation' all will continue on their journey to 'godhood' at the new level, which includes 'personal experience of the knowledge of good and evil'. [sounds like Genesis 3:5, and it's meant to]."
Bibliography
1. Tuella, Project World Evacuation, Inner Light Publications, 1993 edition.
2. Timothy Green Beckley, Psychic & UFO Revelations in the Last Days, Inner Light Publications, New Brunswick, NJ, 1989.
3. Yvonne Cole, Connecting Link Magazine, Issue 23, 1994.
4. Earlyne Chaney, Revelations of Things to Come, Astara, Inc., 1982.
5. Barbara Marciniak, Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians, Bear and Co., 1992.
6. Johanna Michaelson, Like Lambs to the Slaughter: Your Child and the Occult, Harvest House, Eugene, OR, 1989.
7. Barbara Marciniak, Earth: Pleiadian Keys to the Living Library, Bear & Company, 1995.
I think the latter part of your post contains a flaw you have not thought of.
You seem to have an assumption that God killed off
ALL
the fallen angels/ watchers/ nephilium that sided with satan
in the flood.
imho, That’s not really logical when one considers the end times events.
It’s clear that satan still has a lot of cohorts . . . and it’s not at all clear that they are all demons.
Guy Malone asserts, convincingly, with his panel of quality scholars . . . that demons were the fallen angels killed in the flood and thereby no more with bodies so they seek to infest human bodies etc.
The rest of the fallen angels did not get eradicated in the flood and still, evidently, have their bodies through which to do evil and interact with humans etc.
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