"Shutter Island" Movie

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The plot has a number of logical inconsistences if ‘Teddy’ really was insane and had been incarcerated on the island for two years—

—Would a doctor who believes in thorazine really believe the ‘talking cure’ could work on someone who is criminally insane?

—Why would have Teddy have been judged insane for killing his wife, after he finds out she just did away with their three kids? Sounds like a crime of passion, not of insanity.

—Is this ‘role-playing’ game scenario even remotely realistic? Certainly nothing like this has ever gone on in a real insane asylum.

—Would they have taken a chance and let their most dangerous patient off the island, even temporarily?

—Wouldn’t ‘Teddy,’ who have presumably been incarcerated in that place for the last two years and was desperate to leave, immediately seize his opportunity and take off in the other direction rather than get back on the boat?

—Wouldn’t Teddy immediately have recognized his new US Marshal partner as his psychiatrist? Wouldn’t he have felt a strong sense of deja vu coming back to the island, and recognized everyone there? Wouldn’t he have figured out that he is carrying around a toy gun?

—Or how about the scene in the crypt, where his partner is telling him that he has been lured to the island after Teddy had started to research the place and suspect wrong doing, in order to do away with a potential whistle blower. Would his psychiatrist have fed his paranioa and delusions like this?

I prefer the origonal plot line, in which they have decided to entrap the snooping federal agent by slowly drugging him and convincing him he is insane.

But you can take everything in this movie two ways.

Like his final statement ‘’Is it better to live as a monster or die as a good man?’’ ‘Live as a monster’ might refer to his status as a convicted murderer living in an insane asylum. ‘Die as a good man’ might refer to the living death of a lobotomy, but having fought for the truth until the end.

Shutter Island ping.

Sounds like people like it. I'm scared to read too much of this thread in case there are any spoilers in the posts. ;-)

Yours was my take also

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The plot has a number of logical inconsistences if ‘Teddy’ really was insane and had been incarcerated on the island for two years—

—Would a doctor who believes in thorazine really believe the ‘talking cure’ could work on someone who is criminally insane?

Didn't the doctor PREFER non-drug and non-surgical procedures?

—Why would have Teddy have been judged insane for killing his wife, after he finds out she just did away with their three kids? Sounds like a crime of passion, not of insanity.

Was he judged insane for the killing? Or did killing his wife make him insane? I think it would be the latter.

—Is this ‘role-playing’ game scenario even remotely realistic? Certainly nothing like this has ever gone on in a real insane asylum.

No, nothing like that had ever happened. And that's exactly what the head doctor told "Teddy" - that it was the most elaborate role-playing ever tried. Was it realistic? Probably not to the extent they did it, but, hey, it's a piece of fiction.

—Would they have taken a chance and let their most dangerous patient off the island, even temporarily?

I don't recall they let him off the island, unless you are talking about the ferry ride, but there very well could have been precautions taken on board, such as orderlies, guards, etc. hidden.

—Wouldn’t ‘Teddy,’ who have presumably been incarcerated in that place for the last two years and was desperate to leave, immediately seize his opportunity and take off in the other direction rather than get back on the boat?

Desperate to leave? Teddy (at first) wanted to get on the island to find the supposed arsonist. I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of your statement. When did he have the opportunity to "take off...rather than get back on the boat"?

—Wouldn’t Teddy immediately have recognized his new US Marshal partner as his psychiatrist? Wouldn’t he have felt a strong sense of deja vu coming back to the island, and recognized everyone there? Wouldn’t he have figured out that he is carrying around a toy gun?

Yes, you would think he would recognize some people like the doctors who had been treating him. Could a real, strong delusion overcome that and his being on the island for the past 2 years? I don't know if it could in reality or not. As a patient in Ward C, he would not be familiar with the rest of the island which is where he spent most of his time.

—Or how about the scene in the crypt, where his partner is telling him that he has been lured to the island after Teddy had started to research the place and suspect wrong doing, in order to do away with a potential whistle blower. Would his psychiatrist have fed his paranioa and delusions like this?

This is probably your strongest point. No, it wouldn't seem "right" for his doctor to do that. One explanation could be that this part was a delusion on Teddy's part, although the movie certainly doesn't make it seem like a hallucination. Another possibility is that the doctor was trying to give him a reason to leave the island. "Teddy" wanted to be there as part of his delusion to "blow the lid off the place". His doctor wanted him to "get well" and have the desire to get off the island. Perhaps the doc thought that if he fed Teddy's delusion a reason to get off the island instead of going deeper into the island delusion, it would shake him enough to get him back to reality. A stretch, I know.

I prefer the origonal plot line, in which they have decided to entrap the snooping federal agent by slowly drugging him and convincing him he is insane.

Well, yes, I think most would prefer that it went that way.

But you can take everything in this movie two ways.

To an extent, which is what makes the movie so fascinating. I do think the evidence is strongly in favor of "Teddy" being a delusion of Edward.

Like his final statement ‘’Is it better to live as a monster or die as a good man?’’ ‘Live as a monster’ might refer to his status as a convicted murderer living in an insane asylum. ‘Die as a good man’ might refer to the living death of a lobotomy, but having fought for the truth until the end.

Yes, or it could have been his "partner", "Chuck" who he was referring to as "living as a monster" if indeed Teddy was real and not an illusion of Edward, but again, I think the evidence is strongly against that.

One of the clues that "Chuck" was not really a US Marshall, was the difficulty that he had in removing the gun from his holster when they first arrived on the island. And what are the odds that Edward's full name just happened to be a re-arrangement of Teddy's full name?

Again, I think it's discussions such as these that add to the movie's mystery.