Posted on 01/01/2010 6:27:46 AM PST by USALiberty
I sure agree, May God MIGHTLY BLESS these Lawyers that are attempting to get at the truth against SUCH astonishing odds. CO
Sorry Administrator. Wasn’t “trying” to be offensive. I LIKE danamaco. Have no problem with that poster at all unless you are meaning that we both name called someone else. I did get a freepmail from poster who was offend by my post to him/him. I answered them privately, will try to “cool” it. Passion is a hard thing to control. But have been around long enough to know the rules. Again, sorry. LOL. CO
“Grow up” had nothing to do with your age or ability to raise children and be proud of your grandchildren. It does, however, apply to your level of maturity in conversation. Why bother replying to my post #100 in the first place? Did you have a point? No.
Regardless of your relationships with attorneys, you don’t seem to have a grasp on the legal issue of standing. Your comments are based in emotional rhetoric not legal opinion. You may think and feel that “We The People” and “military personnel” SHOULD have standing, but that doesn’t make it so. Our rules of civil procedure dictate how standing is applied. Those rules are not based on emotion. You would seem to prefer that we abandon our rules just to move forward on the eligibility lawsuits. Sorry, the American legal system doesn’t work that way. Ask your attorney friends.
Additionally, your comments about voter fraud and ACORN prove to me just how caught up you are in group think. If you had taken 10 minutes to research my position on that subject, which is based on personal experience during the 2008 primary caucuses, you would feel no need to make such points with me. You’d realize that I know ALL about the ACORN voter fraud because I experienced it, up close and personal, during Operation Chaos. I was one of 200 people to file a legal affidavit with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign regarding what I witnessed. After speaking with me about what I witnessed, her legal team asked me to testify to it and prepared the affidavit. So don’t lecture me about ACORN voter fraud because you know NOTHING about the details.
No, I don’t care for your opinion because it’s based on emotions and group think.
Biden is qualified and received a majority of electoral votes, more than McCain or Palin.
What is the role of a vice president? Isn't it to assume the office of the president if the president is removed from office or dies? Doesn't that mean that Biden has already been elected in the electoral college, in his own right, as Obama's replacement if that should become necessary?
The idea that the first runner-up in a presidential election could become president if the office became vacant, was scrapped pretty early in our history.
See de facto officer doctrine.
First, the issue of standing must be determined. You can't just walk into court and ask for your neighbors financial records, for instance, just because you think he's up to something illegal.
Standing in civil court means you have (allegedly) suffered some injury. If we have an ineligible President, we've all suffered, so we should all have standing.
Next you must have sufficient evidence to so that there is probable cause to believe that you really did suffer the injury and the plaintiff caused it. Not proof, just some indication/probable cause to believe
Then you can get the court to grant access to more and better evidence.
But these cases have never got beyond the standing issue and into the evidence. The standing issue has been used to block access to the hearing and presentation of evidence. Evidence has been submitted, but in effect the courts never looked at it.
In your example, you might have some indications, more than mere "thinking", such as sudden change in lifestyle with no visible change in legitimate income. That sort of "evidence" is used all the time to obtain more detailed records. If you were alleging the money was hacked out of your (and others) accounts, then that increase in lifestyle, along with a simultaneous "leaking" of money from your and others' accounts would be sufficient to obtain the records of his account activity. Now it might be that your neighbor just inherited a pile from a maiden Aunt you didn't know about. Fine, he was wasn't convicted, and that evidence served to exonerate him. OTOH, there could be mysterious "deposits" into his accounts, which matched the "withdrawals" from the others, and then he'd be in trouble, wouldn't he?
The thing is, if Obama is not eligible, then he is not President, and thus cannot be "removed" by the usual House Impeachement/Senate trial process Therefore if he were declared to be ineligible, the process laid out by the 12th and 20th amendments would have to be followed.The 20th amendment clearly says that if a President shall not have qaulified, the VP shall ACT as President, until a President shall have qualified. The 12th amendment gives the process for that.
The idea that the first runner-up in a presidential election could become president if the office became vacant, was scrapped pretty early in our history.
What was discarded early on, by the 12th amendment in fact, was that the runner up would become VP. Biden was elected VP, not President. The VP becomes President if the President dies or is impeached and removed. That would not be the case for an ineligible usurper.
Because hew was a citizen and thus entitled to one.
Why would he want one when a U.S. passport would have been easier to get? Might be advantageous in some parts of the world, to have an "Other than Western" passport. The additionally difficulty would not be all that much, if it existed at all.
Even though he never lived there and had no connection with the country since the age of 3?
Might be advantageous in some parts of the world, to have an "Other than Western" passport. The additionally difficulty would not be all that much, if it existed at all.
And the fact that there is absolutely no evidence of any kind that Obama had a Kenyan passport doesn't deter you in the least, does it?
I think you’re confusing civil and criminal proceedings.
You are putting the cart before the horse. Congress is the only body that has the Constitutional authority to indict (impeach), investigate, and bring the president to trial once he has been elected and sworn in. Until the president resigns or in found guilty in the Senate, he IS the president. Again, see de facto officer doctrine.
Biden was elected VP, not President. The VP becomes President if the President dies or is impeached and removed. That would not be the case for an ineligible usurper.
Either you can back that up with more than just your intuition, or you're making it up.
Nope, you are. Trying to impeach someone who isn't a legitimate office holder.
I'll say it again, merely being sworn in does not a President make. It's takes eligibility(NBC, 35+ y/o, 14 years a US resident) , winning the electoral college (with a majority or being selected by the House from the top 3 vote getters if no one gets a majority), swearing the oath of office, and for the clock to reach noon on January 4th. If any of those are not satisfied, then the dude isn't President.
That's my understanding. That's the way it would be for a US citizen. For example if a child had been born of two US citizen parents in a foreign land, or any number of other circumstances where the child had US Citizenship at birth, but had not lived here, since age 3, or ever.
And the fact that there is absolutely no evidence of any kind that Obama had a Kenyan passport doesn't deter you in the least, does it?
If you'll check, I never said he had one, I said he could have had one. He was eligible for one, at least until he turned 21. His own campaign said he was a Kenyan citizen but lost it at age 21. This alleged travel was prior to his 21st birthday, IIRC.
JB Williams
Canada Free Press
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
___________________________________
A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded
Again, you put the cart before the horse. Obama IS the legitimate president until he is proven illegitimate. The Constitution provides a method for charging, investigating and removing an illegitimate president and those means must be followed if our Constitution is to be upheld.
The de facto officer doctrine confers validity upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person's appointment or election to office is deficient. Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 440 (1886).
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/94-431.ZO.html
JB Williams
Canada Free Press
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
___________________________________
A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded
Not true NS, stop spewing your BS. It says ANY of the below and #5 says nothing about having to be 18. Sven knows what the hell he is talking about, you can count on that. He will chew you up and spit you out bud.
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State;
What the hell are you babbling about?
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