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Swine flu epidemic escaped from lab, Australian scientists say
The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 28, 2009 | Angela Kamper

Posted on 11/27/2009 9:01:25 AM PST by opentalk

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1 posted on 11/27/2009 9:01:27 AM PST by opentalk
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To: DvdMom; Uncle Ike; SunkenCiv

*ping*


2 posted on 11/27/2009 9:06:08 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: opentalk

Ayep.

This was made by man. Sorry for the tin-foil hat moment, but I believe that it was done to put pressure on people to accept government control of Medicine. I honestly believe that the lab this “escaped” from was a government lab. Or a government funded lab.

It’s not as if we don’t have evidence of scientists doing things to create an environment by which they continue to get funding... CRU anyone?


3 posted on 11/27/2009 9:07:55 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: opentalk

Okay. Is this just speculation, or do they have specific ideas of where it might have come from?

I understand the concept of how it might happen, but this seems very close to the line of hysteria-inducing reporting.


4 posted on 11/27/2009 9:08:40 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: opentalk
Related link From where did the 2009 'swine-origin' influenza A virus (H1N1) emerge?

Virology Journal

5 posted on 11/27/2009 9:08:58 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Danae

I am up to my neck with the AGW debate right now, but this is a little bit different. In the AGW hoax, people are fudging data, intimidating scientists, indoctrinating children and otherwise engaged in similar activities that tie into the HUGE sums of money being invested in the resulting industry to “fix” a problem that doesn’t exist.

That is a bit different to say that a virus was deliberately unleashed on people for a political end.

Now, that isn’t to say that there aren’t people in the government (particularly THIS one) who might gleefuly opine that “no good crisis should go to waste”, but I would need some proof before I cross that line and say they did it.

I may fully believe that the liberals in this country have embraced the Cloward-Piven strategy of bringing socialism to the USA, but at least I have proof of a connection in the form of a photograph of Cloward and Piven standing behind ex-President Clinton as he signed the “Motor Voter” law that was another nail in the coffin of our democracy and capitalist system.

I need more than some researchers saying it can happen. We all know it can happen accidentally. It is another jump to say it happened deliberately.


6 posted on 11/27/2009 9:19:18 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

More information on the theory that H1N1 is lab created .
This is a new thread article ping .

Smokin’ Joe I pinged your list and some other freepers to this new thread .


7 posted on 11/27/2009 9:22:37 AM PST by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the avian / H1N1 ping list)
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To: rlmorel; Danae

Yes, agree with what you say... :-)


8 posted on 11/27/2009 9:30:41 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: opentalk
Every year some new strain comes along like clockwork. I believe that it is all govt. made in an attempt to plot the spread pattern of these viruses.

Which direction will it go, how fast will it spread, which cities will be most vulnerable..........All this info which can be used to help counter the event of a legitimate death dealing pandemic or bio warfare......

9 posted on 11/27/2009 9:31:11 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: opentalk
"The three parents of the virus may have been assembled in one place by natural means, such as by migrating birds, however the consistent link with pig viruses suggests that human activity was involved," the research found.

Also this virus de-evolved rather quickly - that has a "man-made feel" to it. Nature isn't sloppy.

10 posted on 11/27/2009 9:34:42 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific fraud in history-James Lewis)
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To: opentalk
Swine flu epidemic escaped from lab, Australian scientists say

"It could have happened in a lab where somebody became affected and then travelled with it," virologist Dr Adrian Gibbs said yesterday.

Not to be picky, but the title and the quote are not in sync.

11 posted on 11/27/2009 9:37:40 AM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: rlmorel
What if the virus release was a terrorist act?

The virus produced wasn't that effective - it killed quickly and de-evolved quickly - not an elegant design.

Something Bin Laden bought from a second tier Russian scientist?

Also, the CDC panic response wasn't normal... But, like you - I don't think our government had anything to do with it... other than to try to protect us.

12 posted on 11/27/2009 9:39:55 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific fraud in history-James Lewis)
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To: GOPJ

Like my late Dad who was in Biological warfare (BW), also known as germ warfare, the use of pathogens such as viruses, bacteria, other disease-causing biological agents, said if we could have souped um’ up we would have but the little critters just will not cooperate. Infect us/them tough to control and human error was always a major concern. Never got one that would iin effect, wipe large masses.


13 posted on 11/27/2009 9:54:25 AM PST by BellStar (Be strong ........Joshua 1:6)
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To: Danae
This was made by man. Sorry for the tin-foil hat moment, but I believe that it was done to put pressure on people to accept government control of Medicine.

I too, have believed that this was the case. The general structure of the virus made me very suspicious that it was created in a lab.

14 posted on 11/27/2009 9:56:22 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: opentalk
Nope. See below:

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15 posted on 11/27/2009 9:57:09 AM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: GOPJ

Well, it could be that. No doubt. Terrorists had not flown planes into buildings before 9/11.

I don’t think one has to put on a tin-foil hat to think it could be caused by terrorists. It is a possibility.


16 posted on 11/27/2009 9:57:58 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: dangerdoc

FYI.


17 posted on 11/27/2009 9:58:29 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: Danae
Based upon comments from friends who are in the virus research business I have said this from the start. BTW the word is out here in the US - if you want anymore grants keep your mouth shut.
18 posted on 11/27/2009 9:59:50 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: rlmorel

Flu starts in Asia because there’s a cultural farm animal DNA mixing that we don’t have here or in Mexico. Also seasonal flu follows patterns... it doesn’t start in the summer. And natural flu doesn’t have time to devolve by the time it gets to us... if it did - we’d never experience it. That said, like you - I have doubts. Just something to consider.


19 posted on 11/27/2009 10:11:50 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific fraud in history-James Lewis)
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To: BellStar
...pathogens such as viruses, bacteria, other disease-causing biological agents, said if we could have souped um’ up we would have but the little critters just will not cooperate.

I believe your father was right - if it was easy, we'd all be wiped out by now. Nice to know nature doesn't co-operate ...

20 posted on 11/27/2009 10:19:02 AM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific fraud in history-James Lewis)
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