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Is This Haunting Picture Proof That Chimps Really DO Grieve?
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | October 27th 2009

Posted on 10/26/2009 11:01:33 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: goseminoles

That “stages of grief” thing is asinine.

Seriously...what if someone dies of a heart attack or in a car accident? Pretty much negates the denial stage since the next stop is the funeral home.

Who are you bargaining with, at that point?

Or are you going to insinuate that we instantly go through the first three stages when faced with a sudden loss? That negates your silly point that animals do not do the same thing.

The stages of grief are talking points for hospice...and total psychobabble.


21 posted on 10/27/2009 12:07:04 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: garandgal

I think these stages of grief are not true for all humans, and in all circumstances, but they are observed in many when they lose one they love deeply.


22 posted on 10/27/2009 12:10:21 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kabumpo

Right. When a household member died last month, I didn’t go thru any of that.
I went straight to feeling like a piece of crap. No denial, no anger, no bargaining.


23 posted on 10/27/2009 12:25:44 AM PDT by cydcharisse
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To: Steelfish
Weep if you must, but make an end of sorrow.

He lives again.

Yes, he has found peace in heaven.

He was a model for us all, a gorilla to remember...

Hunter, warrior, defender of the faith.

Cherished husband, beloved father, generous master, yes.

He was a font of simian kindness.

The dear departed once said to me

"I never met an ape I didn't like."



Look! It's a man!
In heaven's name! Get rid of that creature!


Mama! Mama!
24 posted on 10/27/2009 12:38:56 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE STAND CLOSER! ****** IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Ready4Freddy; Joya

Joya ping


25 posted on 10/27/2009 12:39:32 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Ready4Freddy; Quix

Thank you.


26 posted on 10/27/2009 1:11:29 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Steelfish

Probably thought it was dinner time. They do eat their own.


27 posted on 10/27/2009 1:59:55 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Probably thought it was dinner time. They do eat their own.

DaDa!!!! winner !!!!

No disrespect for the Chimps but, it looks to me/ where are they taking her, can go to?


28 posted on 10/27/2009 5:57:30 AM PDT by buck61
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To: SaraJohnson

I agree we should not compare animals to humans.


29 posted on 10/27/2009 7:57:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Hildy

???


30 posted on 10/27/2009 7:58:41 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Steelfish

So what do they feel when they kill and cannibalize other chimps?


31 posted on 10/27/2009 8:51:30 AM PDT by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: stuartcr

I think what he means, and I’m going to use it as a jumping off spot to my point, is that we all too frequently assume that others have the same motivations we do, when this is not true.
It’s true with different cultures and it’s true with animals. For example, polar bears, with all their fur, tend to look all teddy bear and cute, but they’re very fierce and aggressive predators. It’s common for people to mistake polar bear aggression for curiosity until the claws and the teeth come out.
With human cultures, for example, most of us here on FR view children as precious humans to be protected. In some other cultures, children are viewed as being smaller, easier to beat up, and easier to turn into slaves.
Animals and humans both have complex emotions, but it’s very dangerous to assume these emotions and motivations are the same throughout all cultures and species, although there are commonalities (self-survival, sex drive) among most.


32 posted on 10/27/2009 8:54:16 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: gilor

Or rip off the face of their human owner?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497984,00.html


33 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: uncitizen

This picture is kind of a mirror. The emotion of the chimps is impossible to truly read, and that’s what makes the picture intriguing. If there was a stalk of bananas in the foreground instead of the dead chimp, we’d read it differently.
What people pick up from this picture says more about them than it does what the chimps were feeling/thinking.


34 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:51 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: gilor
So what do they feel when they kill and cannibalize other chimps?

Perhaps the feeling is similar to that humans have when they kill other humans.

35 posted on 10/27/2009 9:06:12 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: TigersEye

They look sad to me. I think animals know about death. When Lilac the old cat was dying my dogs would go to where she was laying & check on her. When we took her to get the shot & she didn’t come back for days they went to her bed & looked for her. I still look around & wonder where she is.


36 posted on 10/27/2009 9:42:31 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn.....................^........................)
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To: trisham

The chimp in that story was more heavily medicated than an over the hill Hollywood actress.

I take no general rules about chimps away from that story.


37 posted on 10/27/2009 10:30:17 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Ready4Freddy


Ape must not kill Ape ...
38 posted on 10/27/2009 10:31:52 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: kabumpo

On what do you base the claim that Elisabeth Kubler-Ross was a left winger?


39 posted on 10/27/2009 10:35:48 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Steelfish

How much “grief” does a chimp feel when it’s ripping your hands, nuts and face off?


40 posted on 10/27/2009 10:40:40 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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