Posted on 10/09/2009 7:04:07 PM PDT by patriot08
al Taquayyah
Same book, different verses...
So which verses say that Christians and Jews do NOT worship the same God as Muslims?
I quoted one that says they do.
Where’s your later verse that abrogates it?
Muslims should NOT be accepted migrants. Migrants ASSIMILATE. Muslims do not.
The best part of that statement I posted, is at the very end. He suggests they should return to their homeland. I wish they would.
Astral Religions
In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).
The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called “the daughters of Allah.” These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as “high” gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.
“Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and “daughters of Al-lah” (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61)”.
The Crescent Moon Symbol
The symbol of the worship of the moon god in Arabian culture and elsewhere throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon.
Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god. In the same fashion as the sun is pictured above the Egyptian deity.
While the moon was generally worshiped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.
The Gods of the Quraysh
The Quraysh tribe into which Muhammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah’s three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.
The literal Arabic name of Muhammad’s father was Abd-Allah. His uncle’s name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad’s pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.
Praying Toward Mecca
An Allah idol was set up at the Kebah along with all the other idols. The pagans prayed toward Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed.
It only made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and then pray. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed toward Mecca.
The worship of the moon god extended far beyond the Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in the worship of the moon.
This, in part, explains the early success of Islam among Arab groups that traditionally had worshiped the moon god.
The use of the crescent moon as the symbol for Islam which is placed on the flags of Islamic nations and on the top of mosques and minarets is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon god in Mecca.
While this may come as a surprise to many Christians who have wrongly assumed that Allah was simply another name for the God of the Bible, educated Muslims generally understand this point.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
Catholic Encyclopedia, not exactly liberal Muslim apologists.
Allah: The name of God in Arabic.
It is a compound word from the article, ‘al, and ilah, divinity, and signifies “the god” par excellence. This form of the divine name is in itself a sure proof that ilah was at one time an appellative, common to all the local and tribal gods. Gradually, with the addition of the article, it was restricted to one of them who took precedence of the others; finally, with the triumph of monotheism, He was recognized as the only true God.
In one form or another this Hebrew root occurs in all Semitic languages as a designation of the Divinity; but whether it was originally a proper name, pointing to a primitive monotheism, with subsequent deviation into polytheism and further rehabilitation, or was from the beginning an appellative which became a proper name only when the Semites had reached monotheism is a much debated question. It is certain, however, that before the time of Mohammed, owing to their contact with Jews and Christians, the Arabs were generally monotheists.
The notion of Allah in Arabic theology is substantially the same as that of God among the Jews, and also among the Christians, with the exception of the Trinity, which is positively excluded in the Koran, cxii: “Say God, is one God, the eternal God, he begetteth not, neither is he begotten and there is not any one like unto him.”
His attributes, denied by the heterodox Motazilites, are ninety-nine in number. Each one of them is represented by a bead in the Moslem chaplet, while on the one hundredth and larger bead, the name of Allah itself is pronounced.
It is preposterous to assert with Curtiss (Ursemitische Religion, 119) that the nomadic tribes of Arabia, consider seriously the Oum-el-Gheith, “mother of the rain”, as the bride of Allah and even if the expression were used such symbolical language would not impair, in the least, the purity of monotheism held by those tribes. (Cf. Revue Biblique, Oct., 1906, 580 sqq.)
Let it be noted that although Allah is an Arabic term, it is used by all Moslems, whatever be their language, as the name of God.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01316a.htm
Allah is a moon rock in Mecca. What if we nuked it to smithereens.
Check out Post #24.
“As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! (Islam, p. 7).
“The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
[snip]
“While this may come as a surprise to many Christians who have wrongly assumed that Allah was simply another name for the God of the Bible, educated Muslims generally understand this point.”
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
Have you read my post from the Catholic Encyclopedia?
It is not totally contradictory to your posts but gives an alternative and less harsh interpretation to the same facts.
You can’t exactly accuse them of being Islamofascist apologists.
On 9/11 I put a small sign in my cubicle that simply said "God Bless America".
Who objected? An American born muslim co-worker.
He made it *quite* clear that our God was not the same as their allah.
Immigration reform must include a prohibition on the import of those who want to kill us.
That shouldn’t be too hard for even the likes of McCainiac and Arbusto to figure out.
Again, I hate to break it to you, but Mohammed’s revelation from God in the Koran is generally considered by Muslims to be more authoritative than your co-worker.
Do you generally extrapolate what all Christians believe from a casual comment by a single Christian co-worker?
It is quite possible he was disagreeing more with regard to whether God/Allah blesses America.
You said they said:
Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner
“The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: ‘The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!’” - Hadith: Bukhari (52:177)
Ultimately, their "nicest possible manner" is flat-out genocide.
Niiiiice...
No, haven’t read your post from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
At this point in time, I have a closed mind; I am not interested in learning any more about 1.4 billion people who are dedicated to destroying the United States, and chopping off my head.
They worship a moon rock. That is not a difficult concept to understand.
You are a muslim apologist, so go to mecca.
Nope. No one who was there would think that.
I was there, you weren't.
I have seen the mosque mask slip innumerable times since.
A hadith is not part of the Koran. It is a tradition of the prophet and is considered of considerably lower authority.
Roughly a quote from a Church Father as compared to a biblical verse.
Also your quote does nothing to address whether Muslims believe Christians and Jews worship the same God, only that they will kill Jews. Christians themselves have often shown themselves more than willing to kill other Christians who worship the same God in the wrong way.
Look, I’m not defending Islam, just suggesting that our criticisms should be accurate. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms without dragging in untrue ones.
I didn't read it that way. Quite the opposite in fact.
They don’t worship a moon rock, any more, probably less, then Catholics worship images or Orthodox Christians worship icons.
The problem is that easily disproven inaccurate criticisms of Islam discredit the accurate ones to some extent. When a prosecutor has ten points of evidence and three are shown to be untrue, it to some extent discredits the other seven. A smart prosecutor would only present the seven that are unimpeachable.
Read it:
I am not interested in learning any more about 1.4 billion people who are dedicated to destroying the United States, and chopping off my head.
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al Taquayyah.
It's more like John quoting Jesus.
Got it Sherman.
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