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How Did Dogs Acquire a "Guilty Look?"
Self | September 18, 2009 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 09/18/2009 3:06:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

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To: AnAmericanMother
Personally I wouldn't keep a un-neutered billy as a pet, just to eliminate the smell, but they don't go into breeding mode. Some can get real cantankerous during that time....I never worried about walking into the pasture with 50 goats unless it was breeding season, then I always looked to see where my big billy was before going in...A neutered male is much like a nanny in disposition.

The will eat everything except wild mustard but you have to dig out burdock cause that can poison them. We had different pastures that could be closed off to let the timothy and alfalfa regrow..

Wild mustard looks a lot like alfalfa and I wondered how they told the difference so I chewed a piece one day, spit real quick, its very bitter... A city girl can learn real fast...:O)

161 posted on 09/18/2009 10:54:28 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: PJ-Comix

162 posted on 09/19/2009 6:52:44 AM PDT by csvset
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To: AnAmericanMother

EIC? I guess I haven’t kept up with labs, what is that?


163 posted on 09/19/2009 2:16:46 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Vendome

We alphas are great...as long as every one else toes the line! ;)


164 posted on 09/19/2009 2:17:39 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Americanwolf

Pauli has started thinking that when we get back from our morning walk, it is ice time. She goes and stands by the dispenser. I just hope she never figures out how it works!


165 posted on 09/19/2009 2:21:18 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: kalee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzmaqQ6nZY


166 posted on 09/19/2009 2:26:20 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

AHHHHHH! Too cute!


167 posted on 09/19/2009 3:13:49 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Cailleach

ping 166


168 posted on 09/19/2009 3:14:42 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: brytlea
Post 150 explains what it is. Post 156 has a video from the University of Minnesota website.

I'll warn you that it's a little unnerving to watch, but it's also obvious that the dog is not in pain and perfectly happy.

Miss Ruby has only had one episode, which scared us half to death, but she's never had another and seems none the worse for her experience. Some dogs have a more acute form than others - a few can collapse just from excitement without much exertion or heat. But that's the exception not the rule.

They've seen it in other retrievers, but most cases are in high-bred, high-strung field Labs. They think the gene is VERY common, but if the dogs are not pushed to the limit they never have an attack, so your average couch potato retriever is not going to be doing repetitive 200 yard blinds in hot weather with multiple whistle stops and collar corrections. That's generally what brings it on.

169 posted on 09/19/2009 3:21:41 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: kalee

That was such a cute puppy! But he was very noisy!


170 posted on 09/20/2009 11:34:47 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Yes, I saw your explanation. I guess I had not heard it referred to by the initials and my brain was too lazy to decipher! I had one golden who collapsed one day, chasing a ball in the hot E TX sun. I wasn’t there, my son was, he called his dad and was told to hose her until she got better. By the time I got home she was fine. I *think* it was heat stroke (she is a ball fanatic and will not stop and my son didn’t know she would keep going no matter what).
Later, when I first heard about that, I wondered if it was something like that instead of heat stroke, but she’s never had another episode. Then again, she is an indoor couch potato. FWIW she was never bred.


171 posted on 09/20/2009 11:37:12 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea
As we found out by researching it and talking to our vet, the way to tell the difference between EIC and heat stroke is twofold:

1. Heat stroke is a general collapse, with unconsciousness, hyperventilation, vomiting, and diarrhea. EIC onset is sudden, it is almost always confined to the hind end weakness/paralysis, and the dog otherwise remains alert and happy, although sometimes a little bit confused or 'out of it'.

2. Genuine heat stroke (as opposed to mere heat exhaustion) takes several days to recover from - the dog will only gradually recover and remain weak, somewhat dehydrated, vomit, etc. With EIC they are right as rain in 10-15 minutes or half an hour, as though nothing at all happened. Ruby was up trotting around, sniffing, and watering the shubbery in 10 minutes without a care in the world.

The fact that your golden was fine by the time you got home indicates EIC. The emotional excitement of being a ball fanatic, the heat esp. with a heavy coat and the exertion, would line up with EIC.

The UMinn guys say that they believe the gene is JUST as common in conformation Labs as field Labs. But a dog that doesn't do the strenuous, stressful work of a field dog may never have an attack.

In fact, they believe the gene's so common it will never be completely eradicated. And it may be unwise to do so because EIC seems to actually be genetically associated with the high-energy traits that make a good retriever. . . the breeding goal for now is to try to eliminate affected dogs with two copies of the gene, not the carriers with one copy.

You might Email the UMinn guys and ask if they have ID'd the gene in Goldens . . . . they might be interested in a blood test if they haven't.

172 posted on 09/20/2009 11:53:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Wow, thank you for the info. I thought it odd that she was fine by the time I got home (altho it was probably 2 hours after the fact, they didn’t call me because they didn’t want me to worry—my poor son called my husband and said, “I think I’ve killed Mom’s dog!” Funny in hindsight, but not at the time.


173 posted on 09/20/2009 11:59:36 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

DEFINITELY not funny at the time!!!! I understand why they didn’t tell you though, didn’t want you to have a wreck speeding to the dog’s side . . . .


174 posted on 09/20/2009 12:13:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Exactly! My poor son.


175 posted on 09/20/2009 1:29:57 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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