Natural Born Criteria

Break it down, word is that they had the Hawaii AG verify it. Someone called and asked. She has SEEN the records, nothing more. Their first statement in OCT 2008 shows how she states she verifies something: “I have seen the original vital records verifying Barack Hussein Obama is a natural-born American citizen.” “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.” FROM OCT 2008: “I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

So if he graduated as SOETORO, and he is now Obama, WHEN he changed his name?

Hawai'i name change procedures:

http://hawaii.gov/ltgov/office/name/

The following forms are in PDF format and you are able to type in using your computer. After completing forms, please print. Free Adobe Acrobat Reader:

FORM A: Name Change of Individual

FORM B: Name Change of Husband and Wife

FORM C: Name Change of Minor by Parents

FORM D: Name Change of Husband, Wife, and Minor Children

FORM E: Name Change of Minor by one Parent with the
NOTARIZED CONSENT of the OTHER PARENT

FORM F: Name Change of Parent and Minor Children with the
NOTARIZED CONSENT of the OTHER PARENT

(This is, of course, assuming he legally changed his name in the State of Hawai'i.)

That is refreshing. Thanks! Some of the obfuscators are very clever; some appear to be lawyers - but how would I know? I do believe that the great justices, and great thinkers, are clear and concise. John Marshall’s opinions are crystalline. Vattel, while Law of Nations has daunting scope, shows that brevity and clarity in Chapter 19, all that I’ve read carefully. The references thrown out, Sarah Duggin, Gabriel Chin, Sarah Herlihy, are, in my opinion, intended to overwhelm. The references also assiduously avoid the jus sanguinis, or born of citizen parents issue. (I have not read all of the Duggin-Collins paper in detail, it is very long, but a search reveals that nowhere does it even mention Vattel or The Venus)

Okay, but until there is legislation or a court case that specifically prohibits a person who was born in the U.S to a non-citizen from becoming president, there does not seem to be any prohibition against it.

And as long as we have a 14th Amendment and an Equal Protection Clause, there is not going to be a prohibition against such a person being president.

And, it would appear that you have living proof in the White House at this very moment and the SCOTUS obviously has no interest in the matter.

Before I respond to your posts, please keep something in mind: if I'm right, he's no longer considered a citizen and is thus Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office. If you're right, he's no longer considered a citizen and is thus Constitutionally unqualified to hold his office.

Now on to the post:

No it doesn't. Statutory definitions are often only for the purpose of the law wherein they are defined.

True statement. The definition applied is in the context of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which defines the requirements for naturalization, alien status, and who is considered a citizen at birth.

Having said that, please let me repeat that if you would advocate trying to locate a test case to get section 301 of that Act declared unconstitutional, because it goes beyond the Constitutional criteria, I'm with you in that advocacy.

However, until such time as section 301 of the INA is declared unconstitutional, then that is the act to which it applies (Chapter 12 of Title 8 codifies the INA).

No they haven't. The 1790 act was repealed by the 1795 act, which did not contain any definition of natural born. Nor has any subsequent statute.

Please read again the images from the 1795 act and 1802 act. Both provide a definition of who was a citizen at the moment of their birth. I, frankly, haven't done an exhaustive search of acts following the 1802 Act. But I don't need to do so either, in order to have made my point.

According to all three of those acts, he would have been a citizen at the moment of his birth, had his father been a citizen, provided his father had resided in the US. The Chin Bow case settled that issue.

I asked you in post #116 what the difference was between "citizen by birth" and "natural born citizen". You indicated in post #119 that there was a difference but didn't tell me what it was. So what is the difference? What authority says what that difference is?

Actually, if this document is proved to be authentic,

Buraq might not be eligible for a Yankee White under this provision:

E4.1.5.1. U.S. citizenship.

I know when I was stationed at Andrews before I retired, I wasn't able to get one because of too many speeding tickets (yes, believe it or not, they eliminate you for that under the provision of "frequent arrests"). I had a CI polygraph, but wasn't able to get the Yankee White.

On the other hand, probably half of Congress couldn't get a Yankee White either, if you think about it.

The woman was leaving for a two week vacation the day (July 31, 2009) I spoke with her.

The end of the day came and went without a return phone call from her.

Charitably, she got busy and simply had to leave work to keep on time for her vacation.

I have tried calling again this morning.

The stress in their office must have been considerable last week, and that was before the alleged Kenya birth certificate copy story broke...

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