Posted on 07/20/2009 10:29:56 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
Never smoked, at least not more than the occasional cigar or cigarette with friends.
Go have a pop while you can.
After the breathalyzer ignitions are standard and mandatory equipment, even that pleasure will be denied you, unless you have a favorite establishment close enough to walk to.
I do not believe the Gov’t has the right to tell private biz owners that they may not allow smoking on their premises.
But what if I walked up to you in public and blew disgusting fumes in your face. Could I legitimately say it’s my “right?”
People should not smoke in public out of RESPECT for others. If you smoke outdoors where other people are, you are full of DISRESPECT for others.
Before filters became common on cigarettes you never saw the litter from them because the paper would give way under rain and wind and the tobacco would scatter, blend in with the grass and decompose.
At the peak of the smoking years in America almost 52% of all adults smoked and at least a third of the high school age kids.
The most common litter then was chewing gum wads welded to the sidewalk.
Perfume is no respecter of privacy to an even greater degree than tobacco smoke since its fumes are heavier and diffuse at nose level while tobacco smoke rises slowly and wafts away on the breeze.
Perfume haters have so far not enjoyed the wide support of anti-s as tobacco haters have but if they did, I’d join them.
It’s rare for me to smell someone else’s perfume when I go out (other than my wife’s).
It’s pretty common for me to catch several whiffs of cig smoke, though.
Once can put on perfume where it doesn’t smell more than a foot away from a person.
A smoker, otoh, cannot contain his smoke. One smoker could literally bother dozens of people at once.
You’re not an idiot, do you ever spend the night away from home?
OK, OK, Americans are offended by everything these days.
So, you got smokers banned in private establishments and now you want it banned outside.
Fine, I agreed with you and offer some words of encouragemnt as I already did - fret not, Oh easily offended one, public smoking bans outdoors are almost here.
Read my posts...I am not for Govt bans in private establishments.
But, like I said, smokers dig their own graves due to their behavior. Sorry, but you do not have a right to blow cig smoke in my face.
>you do not have a right to blow cig smoke in my face.
you do not have a right to drive as often as you want.
Your exhaust is stinking up my planet.
you do not have a right to eat animal based protein products.
Your desire to eat meat is destroying my planet.
you do not have a right to heat or cool your house to your comfort.
Your excessive use of energy is polluting my living planet.
Enjoy the future.
Fair. But some people choose to voluntarily give up some of their liberty to a HOA to ensure they don’t have to deal with externalities like that. This HOA did just that, and it sounds like it didn’t even directly affect any of the people currently living there.
I care when government takes away my liberty, not when people voluntarily give it up through contracts. People sign contracts giving up their liberty all the time (job contracts, promises to buy or provide a service, etc.) and this is not a problem if they are freely making these decisions.
No need for a HOA if you require unanimity. The whole point of a HOA is people agree to give up some of their rights, and occasionally submit to rules they don’t support, because in general they believe this will improve life and protect the value of their homes.
They do this in advance, knowing they might be forced to obey rules they don’t vote for.
I don’t see how smoking (a legal activity) in their own homes.. with the doors and windows shut.. could be enforced. If they are so concerned about smoke.. ALL smoke..even grilling inside/outside your home should be banned from the neighborhood.. The smoke from grilling is far more intrusive than a random whiff of someone’s second hand smoke. I’d fight it in court.
Can you imagine having to go outside for a cigarette in an Eau Clair, WI winter ?
None of what you say I do is based in fact.
I never said you couldn’t smoke. I just said please practice some common courtesy and refrain from blowing it in my face.
Well if there's no way for anyone to smell it, I guess it can't be. But if the smoke does in fact seep through the walls and the neighbors can smell it, and they choose to complain, then obviously it can be enforced.
I don't see on what grounds the court could refuse to enforce it. They signed a contract saying they would follow HOA rules or (probably) the HOA could fine them, and if they break those rules there's no reason the court could refuse to enforce the fine.
Has this every actually happened to anyone who wasn't living in some kind of ramshackle apartment building or fleabag hotel?
I suppose SOME amount of tobacco smoke will seep through even properly-constructed walls but is it enough for anyone to be worried about? There are going to be minute traces of toxic material in any home in an urban or suburban area. Why do people care that much if .000000000001% of their neighbors tobacco smoke is added to the mix?
You will see how the logic of the antitabak crowd regarding smoking will be used to limit all other kinds of activities and living in general.
That’s what I was trying to point out.
Ben Franklin was correct, we are all gonna hang seperately.
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